Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Totally unfair...if the 360 students are good enough to have a waiver for
OEQ, does it mean they will easily pass the OEQ? If yes, why don't they take
it like all others? OEQ was introduced to prevent cheaters from using dump,
now, Cisco introduces their 360 program and whoever meets their "condition"
(which is unclear) can take the exam. CISCO, are you afraid about your
quality of training, are you afraid that 360 students can not pass the OEQ,
are you considering them as the cheaters who used dumps to pass the lab in
the old days? If this continues, CCIE cert will be devalue soon.

Khoa Le
CCIE #25122

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:17 PM, John Pelletier <
john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com> wrote:

> Cisco must be taking it's lead from our government-PAY to PLAY.
>
> --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Mirco Orlandi <mirco.orlandi_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mirco Orlandi <mirco.orlandi_at_gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> To: "Jones" <shaunjon29_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: "Dark Fiber" <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>, "Narbik Kocharians"
> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "Shaughn Smith" <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>, "Rob
> Phillips"
> <rrphillips_at_swankav.com>, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>,
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 10:26 AM
>
>
> I not agree. Is not a fair game. Non-360 students have to pass three
> section
> on the same attempt to get the number.
>
> In my opinion, Cisco have to change the "pass policy" for all students: "if
> you passed OEQ but failed one other (or both) section, in subsequent
> attempt
> you can skip OEQ".
> In brief: NOT synchronize OEQ with TS+CFG, that is what 360 students got.
>
> m.
>
> People like to complain. It's been made clear that you can't just pay for
> > the waiver, you have to earn it as part of the learning process. I do
> not
> > have a problem with that. It will make it less stressful on my
> > preparations. Thank you Cisco, Narbik, and Brad.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dark
> > Fiber
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:57 AM
> > To: Narbik Kocharians
> > Cc: Shaughn Smith; Rob Phillips; Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> >
> > It's isn't the fact they are giving you a chance to bypass them, it is
> > that they are giving you the chance if you pay for their over priced
> > program and their program only...
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > You guys can bypass the OEQs by attending a 360 program, we have added
> > bunch
> > > of stuff to the 360 program, and if the students complete the labs they
> > can
> > > bypass the OEQs. I think its NOT bad, since they know whats going to be
> > > covered in these classes. Our students go through the 360 material +
> all
> > the
> > > materials that we have added to the program as supplemental materials
> > > (roughly around 3500 + pages), and if anyone goes through this program,
> > they
> > > can BYPASS the OEQ section.
> > >
> > > But why fight it? It's NOT that you will get anywhere, we saw a
> > > similar fight and bitterness when they introduced the OEQs, now they
> are
> > > giving the students a chance NOT to do the OEQs.
> > >
> > > Before OEQs everyone was complaining about the pass4sures and stuff
> llike
> > > that, so they added the OEQs, then, everyone started complaining about
> > the
> > > OEQs, NOW they are giving the students a chance NOT to go through the
> > OEQs,
> > > now some are still complaining.
> > >
> > > Don't let things like this poison your blood, just go with the flow,
> > > specially when you have NO other option.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Couldn't have worded it better myself. As a qualified Commercial pilot
> I
> > >> know where you are coming from. I am also truly disappointed at
> Cisco's
> > >> decision on this.
> > >>
> > >> CCIE # 23962
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM, "Rob Phillips" <rrphillips_at_swankav.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Brad,
> > >>
> > >> I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all the
> > >> way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing
> you
> > >> forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
> > >> EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should
> be
> > >> using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines that
> > >> EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took
> my
> > >> Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride was
> > >> done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any other
> > >> ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out to
> > >> the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
> > >> (Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of regular
> > >> flight in different configurations (config section).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however
> it
> > >> all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE
> standard.
> > >> Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
> > >> that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me know.
> I
> > >> will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the skies
> > >> with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past a
> > >> section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED it
> > >> so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.
> > >>
> > >> I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you should
> > >> be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
> > >> questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this
> is
> > >> a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole
> idea
> > >> of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of
> the
> > >> OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route then
> > >> they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?
> > >>
> > >> To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would ever
> > >> have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
> > >> will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
> > >> standard.
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message----- From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:
> > >> nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > >>
> > >> Brad Ellis Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:36 AM To:
> > >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.comSubject: RE: OEQ Waiver ...
> > >>
> > >>
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