Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

This program clearly has no logic behind it. This offer will be there for a
limited time, when ever a desired number of 360 training slots are sold this
offer will be gone.

This is what i can see in future.

Best Regards,

Nadeem Rafi

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Anh Khoa Le Viet <lvakhoa_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Totally unfair...if the 360 students are good enough to have a waiver for
> OEQ, does it mean they will easily pass the OEQ? If yes, why don't they
> take
> it like all others? OEQ was introduced to prevent cheaters from using dump,
> now, Cisco introduces their 360 program and whoever meets their "condition"
> (which is unclear) can take the exam. CISCO, are you afraid about your
> quality of training, are you afraid that 360 students can not pass the OEQ,
> are you considering them as the cheaters who used dumps to pass the lab in
> the old days? If this continues, CCIE cert will be devalue soon.
>
> Khoa Le
> CCIE #25122
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:17 PM, John Pelletier <
> john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com> wrote:
>
> > Cisco must be taking it's lead from our government-PAY to PLAY.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Mirco Orlandi <mirco.orlandi_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Mirco Orlandi <mirco.orlandi_at_gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> > To: "Jones" <shaunjon29_at_gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Dark Fiber" <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>, "Narbik Kocharians"
> > <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "Shaughn Smith" <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>, "Rob
> > Phillips"
> > <rrphillips_at_swankav.com>, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>,
> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 10:26 AM
> >
> >
> > I not agree. Is not a fair game. Non-360 students have to pass three
> > section
> > on the same attempt to get the number.
> >
> > In my opinion, Cisco have to change the "pass policy" for all students:
> "if
> > you passed OEQ but failed one other (or both) section, in subsequent
> > attempt
> > you can skip OEQ".
> > In brief: NOT synchronize OEQ with TS+CFG, that is what 360 students got.
> >
> > m.
> >
> > People like to complain. It's been made clear that you can't just pay
> for
> > > the waiver, you have to earn it as part of the learning process. I do
> > not
> > > have a problem with that. It will make it less stressful on my
> > > preparations. Thank you Cisco, Narbik, and Brad.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Dark
> > > Fiber
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:57 AM
> > > To: Narbik Kocharians
> > > Cc: Shaughn Smith; Rob Phillips; Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360
> students.
> > >
> > > It's isn't the fact they are giving you a chance to bypass them, it is
> > > that they are giving you the chance if you pay for their over priced
> > > program and their program only...
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > You guys can bypass the OEQs by attending a 360 program, we have
> added
> > > bunch
> > > > of stuff to the 360 program, and if the students complete the labs
> they
> > > can
> > > > bypass the OEQs. I think its NOT bad, since they know whats going to
> be
> > > > covered in these classes. Our students go through the 360 material +
> > all
> > > the
> > > > materials that we have added to the program as supplemental materials
> > > > (roughly around 3500 + pages), and if anyone goes through this
> program,
> > > they
> > > > can BYPASS the OEQ section.
> > > >
> > > > But why fight it? It's NOT that you will get anywhere, we saw a
> > > > similar fight and bitterness when they introduced the OEQs, now they
> > are
> > > > giving the students a chance NOT to do the OEQs.
> > > >
> > > > Before OEQs everyone was complaining about the pass4sures and stuff
> > llike
> > > > that, so they added the OEQs, then, everyone started complaining
> about
> > > the
> > > > OEQs, NOW they are giving the students a chance NOT to go through the
> > > OEQs,
> > > > now some are still complaining.
> > > >
> > > > Don't let things like this poison your blood, just go with the flow,
> > > > specially when you have NO other option.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Couldn't have worded it better myself. As a qualified Commercial
> pilot
> > I
> > > >> know where you are coming from. I am also truly disappointed at
> > Cisco's
> > > >> decision on this.
> > > >>
> > > >> CCIE # 23962
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM, "Rob Phillips" <rrphillips_at_swankav.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Brad,
> > > >>
> > > >> I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all
> the
> > > >> way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing
> > you
> > > >> forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
> > > >> EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should
> > be
> > > >> using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines
> that
> > > >> EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took
> > my
> > > >> Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride
> was
> > > >> done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any
> other
> > > >> ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out
> to
> > > >> the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
> > > >> (Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of
> regular
> > > >> flight in different configurations (config section).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however
> > it
> > > >> all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE
> > standard.
> > > >> Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
> > > >> that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me
> know.
> > I
> > > >> will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the
> skies
> > > >> with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past
> a
> > > >> section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED
> it
> > > >> so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.
> > > >>
> > > >> I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you
> should
> > > >> be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
> > > >> questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this
> > is
> > > >> a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole
> > idea
> > > >> of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of
> > the
> > > >> OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route
> then
> > > >> they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?
> > > >>
> > > >> To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would
> ever
> > > >> have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
> > > >> will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
> > > >> standard.
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message----- From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:
> > > >> nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > >>
> > > >> Brad Ellis Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:36 AM To:
> > > >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.comSubject: RE: OEQ Waiver ...
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > >
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