Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Cisco must be taking it's lead from our government-PAY to PLAY.

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Mirco Orlandi <mirco.orlandi_at_gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mirco Orlandi <mirco.orlandi_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
To: "Jones" <shaunjon29_at_gmail.com>
Cc: "Dark Fiber" <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>, "Narbik Kocharians"
<narbikk_at_gmail.com>, "Shaughn Smith" <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>, "Rob Phillips"
<rrphillips_at_swankav.com>, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>,
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 10:26 AM

I not agree. Is not a fair game. Non-360 students have to pass three section
on the same attempt to get the number.

In my opinion, Cisco have to change the "pass policy" for all students: "if
you passed OEQ but failed one other (or both) section, in subsequent attempt
you can skip OEQ".
In brief: NOT synchronize OEQ with TS+CFG, that is what 360 students got.

m.

People like to complain. It's been made clear that you can't just pay for
> the waiver, you have to earn it as part of the learning process. I do not
> have a problem with that. It will make it less stressful on my
> preparations. Thank you Cisco, Narbik, and Brad.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Dark
> Fiber
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 6:57 AM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Shaughn Smith; Rob Phillips; Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
>
> It's isn't the fact they are giving you a chance to bypass them, it is
> that they are giving you the chance if you pay for their over priced
> program and their program only...
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > You guys can bypass the OEQs by attending a 360 program, we have added
> bunch
> > of stuff to the 360 program, and if the students complete the labs they
> can
> > bypass the OEQs. I think its NOT bad, since they know whats going to be
> > covered in these classes. Our students go through the 360 material + all
> the
> > materials that we have added to the program as supplemental materials
> > (roughly around 3500 + pages), and if anyone goes through this program,
> they
> > can BYPASS the OEQ section.
> >
> > But why fight it? It's NOT that you will get anywhere, we saw a
> > similar fight and bitterness when they introduced the OEQs, now they are
> > giving the students a chance NOT to do the OEQs.
> >
> > Before OEQs everyone was complaining about the pass4sures and stuff llike
> > that, so they added the OEQs, then, everyone started complaining about
> the
> > OEQs, NOW they are giving the students a chance NOT to go through the
> OEQs,
> > now some are still complaining.
> >
> > Don't let things like this poison your blood, just go with the flow,
> > specially when you have NO other option.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Couldn't have worded it better myself. As a qualified Commercial pilot I
> >> know where you are coming from. I am also truly disappointed at Cisco's
> >> decision on this.
> >>
> >> CCIE # 23962
> >>
> >> On Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM, "Rob Phillips" <rrphillips_at_swankav.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all the
> >> way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing you
> >> forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
> >> EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should be
> >> using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines that
> >> EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took my
> >> Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride was
> >> done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any other
> >> ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out to
> >> the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
> >> (Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of regular
> >> flight in different configurations (config section).
> >>
> >>
> >> I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however it
> >> all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE standard.
> >> Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
> >> that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me know. I
> >> will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the skies
> >> with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past a
> >> section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED it
> >> so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.
> >>
> >> I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you should
> >> be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
> >> questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this is
> >> a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole idea
> >> of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of the
> >> OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route then
> >> they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?
> >>
> >> To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would ever
> >> have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
> >> will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
> >> standard.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:
> >> nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >>
> >> Brad Ellis Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:36 AM To:
> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.comSubject: RE: OEQ Waiver ...
> >>
> >>
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