Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Well said.

I don't think having or not having OEQ is going to matter. From the sounds
of others who have seen them, if you can't do OEQ, you have other issues to
worry about on lab day. As long as you have to pass TS and the config
section, the test will still weed out the unqualified, that's what we are
all concerned about anyways, right? Keeping the value of the cert up for
those that put in the hard work to pass.

Sucks from a business standpoint if you are not a 360 vendor, I'd be upset
in their shoes too. I think the quality of the non 360 vendors workbooks
that I have seen (INE and Narbik's pre 360 book) are top notch and will
speak for itself, not the free pass on OEQ. If you choose to take a class
solely because of a waiver on some questions, more power to you. I for one
will sit the class that has good success stories and feedback from people
who actually took the class and then the lab.

I took Narbik's class and can't use the waiver because my lab date is booked
5 days before it goes into effect. Is that a big deal to me? No. I'm too
busy trying to nail down as much as I can to worry about whether or not
someone else is going to have to answer 4 questions or not. (Wait, why am I
wasting my time writing this?)

Nate

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Tyson Scott <tscott_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:

> In a capitalist market money is what makes the world go round ;) Whether
> you like it or not we are all playing the Cisco game. Cisco just decided
> to
> give a bone to those that are willing to pay for it. As Scott has already
> mentioned for himself, we are not pass4sure organizations so we have been
> working hard to prepare students as better engineers for quite some time.
> There will be no change from that model moving forward. We simply offer
> great training products and in the end the better products will show their
> true colors. Let's see if numbers change for training vendors. A tale
> tale
> sign of the success of the program is the people they are helping to pass
> the exam. I believe we, training programs in the "grey market", have the
> fastest growing lists for a reason in the CCIE training markets. We have
> simply been working on a successful program for a good time and continue to
> model our products after that model in a more cost effective manner. If
> that changes and sways another way then Cisco has made a good move. But I
> am willing to stay doing what I am because I am confident in my ability to
> help people to learn the material and pass their CCIE.
>
> So I would encourage instead of continuing to be upset about it, as I
> myself
> have been a bit, to continue your work and show your knowledge and skills
> with the CCIE number as an outward verification of that knowledge. Wasting
> your energy on something that is out of your control is energy that can be
> put into greater use in working on things that are within your control.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Patrick Galligan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:02 AM
> To: Rolf
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
>
> If you really need the 8hrs, you didn't prepare properly.
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Rolf <schaerer_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think it's not about buying your CCIE or not. Let's face it, if
> > you're prepared and ready for the lab you should be able to answer the
> > four questions - you can miss one, but the rules should be fair...
> > It really depends what the rules are for the waiver qualified
> > candidates. If they do get the whole 8 hours for 2 sections of the
> > exam, you can practically say that with the 360 program, you can buy
> > yourself more configuration time, and this can be crucial...
> >
> > Just my 2 Rappen
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rolf
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