Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Why would you risk $1400 if you are not well prepared to begin with??????

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:48 AM, kaushalccie patel
<kaushalccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me put it this way.....
>
> Why only 360 ?
>
> Why can't Cisco Offer same labs online and allow student who pass it to
> waive the OEQ ?
> Who want to risk 1400 if not prepared enough to clear OEQ
>
> Kaushal
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> You guys can bypass the OEQs by attending a 360 program, we have added
>> bunch
>> of stuff to the 360 program, and if the students complete the labs they can
>> bypass the OEQs. I think its NOT bad, since they know whats going to be
>> covered in these classes. Our students go through the 360 material + all
>> the
>> materials that we have added to the program as supplemental materials
>> (roughly around 3500 + pages), and if anyone goes through this program,
>> they
>> can BYPASS the OEQ section.
>>
>> But why fight it? It's NOT that you will get anywhere, we saw a
>> similar fight and bitterness when they introduced the OEQs, now they are
>> giving the students a chance NOT to do the OEQs.
>>
>> Before OEQs everyone was complaining about the pass4sures and stuff llike
>> that, so they added the OEQs, then, everyone started complaining about the
>> OEQs, NOW they are giving the students a chance NOT to go through the OEQs,
>> now some are still complaining.
>>
>> Don't let things like this poison your blood, just go with the flow,
>> specially when you have NO other option.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Couldn't have worded it better myself. As a qualified Commercial pilot I
>> > know where you are coming from. I am also truly disappointed at Cisco's
>> > decision on this.
>> >
>> > CCIE # 23962
>> >
>> > On Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM, "Rob Phillips" <rrphillips_at_swankav.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Brad,
>> >
>> > I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all the
>> > way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing you
>> > forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
>> > EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should be
>> > using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines that
>> > EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took my
>> > Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride was
>> > done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any other
>> > ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out to
>> > the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
>> > (Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of regular
>> > flight in different configurations (config section).
>> >
>> >
>> > I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however it
>> > all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE standard.
>> > Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
>> > that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me know. I
>> > will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the skies
>> > with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past a
>> > section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED it
>> > so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.
>> >
>> > I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you should
>> > be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
>> > questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this is
>> > a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole idea
>> > of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of the
>> > OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route then
>> > they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?
>> >
>> > To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would ever
>> > have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
>> > will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
>> > standard.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message----- From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:
>> > nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> >
>> > Brad Ellis Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:36 AM To:
>> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.comSubject: RE: OEQ Waiver ...
>> >
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