Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Let me put it this way.....

Why only 360 ?

Why can't Cisco Offer same labs online and allow student who pass it to
waive the OEQ ?
Who want to risk 1400 if not prepared enough to clear OEQ

Kaushal

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> You guys can bypass the OEQs by attending a 360 program, we have added
> bunch
> of stuff to the 360 program, and if the students complete the labs they can
> bypass the OEQs. I think its NOT bad, since they know whats going to be
> covered in these classes. Our students go through the 360 material + all
> the
> materials that we have added to the program as supplemental materials
> (roughly around 3500 + pages), and if anyone goes through this program,
> they
> can BYPASS the OEQ section.
>
> But why fight it? It's NOT that you will get anywhere, we saw a
> similar fight and bitterness when they introduced the OEQs, now they are
> giving the students a chance NOT to do the OEQs.
>
> Before OEQs everyone was complaining about the pass4sures and stuff llike
> that, so they added the OEQs, then, everyone started complaining about the
> OEQs, NOW they are giving the students a chance NOT to go through the OEQs,
> now some are still complaining.
>
> Don't let things like this poison your blood, just go with the flow,
> specially when you have NO other option.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Couldn't have worded it better myself. As a qualified Commercial pilot I
> > know where you are coming from. I am also truly disappointed at Cisco's
> > decision on this.
> >
> > CCIE # 23962
> >
> > On Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM, "Rob Phillips" <rrphillips_at_swankav.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> > I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all the
> > way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing you
> > forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
> > EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should be
> > using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines that
> > EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took my
> > Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride was
> > done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any other
> > ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out to
> > the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
> > (Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of regular
> > flight in different configurations (config section).
> >
> >
> > I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however it
> > all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE standard.
> > Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
> > that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me know. I
> > will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the skies
> > with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past a
> > section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED it
> > so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.
> >
> > I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you should
> > be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
> > questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this is
> > a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole idea
> > of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of the
> > OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route then
> > they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?
> >
> > To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would ever
> > have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
> > will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
> > standard.
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:
> > nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >
> > Brad Ellis Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:36 AM To:
> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.comSubject: RE: OEQ Waiver ...
> >
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