RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Brad,

I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all the
way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing you
forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should be
using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines that
EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took my
Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride was
done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any other
ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out to
the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
(Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of regular
flight in different configurations (config section).

I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however it
all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE standard.
Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me know. I
will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the skies
with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past a
section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED it
so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.

I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you should
be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this is
a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole idea
of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of the
OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route then
they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?

To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would ever
have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
standard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Brad Ellis
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:36 AM
To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Compare the OEQ Waiver program to the different ways of obtaining your
pilot's license, Part 61 vs. Part 141 (and I'll save you the google:
http://www.m0a.com/learning-fly-part-61-141/ )

With Part 61, it's a less structured and controlled approach with an FAA
examiner "check ride" at the end. With Part 141 it has more "checks and
balances" throughout the training program in which you are validated at
each step of the process. The curriculum is much more regulated and much
more well defined. When you finish the program, you have your pilot's
license (after an in-house final check). The FAA finds that both of
these methods are effective for pilot's obtaining their license.

By Cisco offering this waiver program, it would appear similar to Part
141 - validate student's core knowledge during the study process.

thanks,
Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
CCSI# 30482
CEO / President
CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
Toll Free: 877-654-2243
International: +1-702-968-5100
Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
FAX: +1-702-446-8012
YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
Qualify for an OEQ Voice Waiver:
http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqvoice.html
Qualify for an OEQ R&S Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqrs.html

-----Original Message-----
From: itguy.pro_at_gmail.com [mailto:itguy.pro_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:07 PM
To: Steve Di Bias; JB
Cc: Joe Astorino; Marko Milivojevic; Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Brad,

On a serious note: what were you smoking when you suggested this asinine
idea to cisco? And what were they on when you were explaining it? What
did they say? Omfg, what a brilliant idea, why didn't we think of this
before to screw potential CCIEs in the butt with both hands on shoulder?

Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
Received on Tue Mar 16 2010 - 08:25:51 ART