Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Hi JB,

The announcement is Just Bullshit (JB) as your initial tells us. One
important factor that makes me respect the CCIE program was the fairness to
every candidate. You don't need pass CCNA or CCNP, neither be forced to use
any training vendor. As long as you have the knowledge to pass the CCIE
written exam and enough experience to pass the lab, you will get the number.
Now the announcement sends out a completely wrong message - the game is not
fair anymore.

For Cisco, my suggestion is fire the guy whoever makes this unfairness
happen. In my opinion, it is the certification program helped Cisco's
business and this guy is jeopardizing this program.

For all members of this study group, my suggestion is boycott all 360
vendors like you did to those vendors providing exam dumps. Because they are
doing the same thing - devalue the CCIE program. Without those money suckers
crying to Cisco, Cisco may not throw out this nonsense deal.

JB, as a candidate who fully respects CCIE certification, I am not crying
for an extra OEQ or 30 minute less time than 360 students have for the
configuration section. I am crying for the reputation of this certification.
If this program gradually devalues itself, why would we bother to pursue it?

I'd like to appeal to the administrator of this group to set up a web page
for everybody voting on this issue and forward the vote result to Cisco.
Let Cisco hear our voice as well as the 360 vendors'.

Regards,

Charles M.

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From: "JB" <tomsdad07_at_gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:35 AM
To: "'Marko Milivojevic'" <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "'Brad Ellis'"
<brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

> Wow, a lot of crying going on from non-Cisco 360 vendors. Give it a break.
> We all know this is your ONLY response to this new program from Cisco.
> It's
> a great idea and a good way for Cisco to help promote their training
> programs.
>
> Cisco controls the 360 training, so why not validate the core knowledge
> skills as part of the process. It makes sense to me. Especially since core
> knowledge is such a small part of the exam anyhow. You still need to pass
> the TS and Config sections.
>
> "During a Cisco 360 Learning Program workshop, students complete a series
> of
> performance assessments that demonstrate their understanding of the CCIE
> material and serve the same purpose as the Core Knowledge section of the
> exam. Therefore, Cisco 360 Learning Program students who use the waiver
> will not be required to type out answers to the Core Knowledge questions
> and
> will be allowed to move immediately to the next section of the lab exam."
>
> If you want to do Cisco 360 and decline the waiver, I see no reason why
> you
> couldn't do that. So stop your complaining. This is a great option for
> people to pick from. If you don't like it, then don't pick it as an
> option.
> Very easy.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Marko Milivojevic
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:17 PM
> To: Brad Ellis
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
>
>> (This is my baby I presented to Cisco about 6 months ago!!!)
>>
>> GO 360!
>
>
> Oh, I'm just curious. If you get two courses, do you get to skip
> Troubleshooting, too? I mean, candidates "demonstrate troublsehooting
> skills" too during bootcamps, don't they? Three courses for the entire
> exam?
>
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