Re: Advice on reading the whole lab before starting?

He needs to bring a deriverative and tie it to quantum physics and do the
double reverse statue of liberty play.
Then he will be CLOSE to Petr:-)

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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Roy Waterman <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> All you need now is a mathematical equation and you are there Anthony :)
>
> Regards
> Roy
>
>
> On 4 March 2010 21:09, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Larry! I forwarded your first line to my wife.
>>
>> Hey - your insight made me think of something else important about this...
>>
>> "So, reading the lab is something that I highly recommend. Where some
>> folks
>> get caught up is when reading the entire lab they are trying to "solve" it
>> at the same time so they waste time during this phase. Read the lab to
>> identify dependencies and key sections."
>>
>> Something else that can happen with that level of detailed advanced
>> reading
>> is that students can try and "solve" tasks as they read ahead, and their
>> confidence can become absolutely destroyed when they see a bunch of stuff
>> they had not thought about in advance. We know that passing the lab is all
>> about A) Tech knowledge B) Strategy and C) Psychology. You certainly need
>> to
>> make sure your part B assists with parts A and C. Hmmm, I am starting to
>> sound like Petr L....
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>  Larry Hadrava
>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:19 PM
>> To: Anthony Sequeira
>> Cc: groupstudy_at_nyms.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Advice on reading the whole lab before starting?
>>
>> Anthony is right on (as usual ) :-)
>>
>> As Anthony explained well, learning to spot the dependencies is
>> imperative.
>> Lets just say that I would be one lab fee richer if i would have better at
>> doing that back in 2003:-)
>>
>> So, reading the lab is something that I highly recommend. Where some folks
>> get caught up is when reading the entire lab they are trying to "solve" it
>> at the same time so they waste time during this phase. Read the lab to
>> identify dependencies and key sections.
>>
>>  The strategy that you employ will also be your own. I have found in
>> dealing
>> with folks over the years that there is no one size fits all strategy.
>> There
>> are some great overall strategies, but there will be things that might not
>> suit you.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> Larry Hadrava
>> CCIE #12203
>> Check Out MyBlog: http://ccie12203.wordpress.com/
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > One of the many beauties (and complexities) of passing the CCIE Lab Exam
>> is
>> > the fact that the strategy you use to pass it, the EXACT strategy, will
>> > most
>> > likely be pretty unique from anything you have been taught or heard.
>> >
>> > My own personal strategy for reading ahead in the configuration section
>> of
>> > the lab exam (that was my only section way back in Feb '06) was a bit of
>> a
>> > hybrid of what I learned from Keith Barker and Brian McGahan.
>> >
>> > I chose to "skim" the entire Config section. This took under 5 minutes.
>> I
>> > then started with Layer 2 Cat regardless of what section they presented
>> > first. In this Layer 2 Cat section, I read all of the tasks carefully
>> > before
>> > starting any config. This would take well under 5 minutes as well.
>> >
>> > One important caveat to my approach of solving the lab is this...you
>> need
>> > to
>> > be "inherently" aware of interdependencies with the technologies and
>> > potential future lab tasks. For example, in a Frame Relay configuration,
>> we
>> > need to be extremely cautious regarding OSPF network type requirements
>> that
>> > might explicitly or implicitly exist. I certainly became "expert level"
>> at
>> > catching these issues and embraced my own personal lab strategy as a
>> > result.
>> >
>> >
>> > One of the beauties of workbook and graded labs practice is that you
>> have
>> a
>> > chance to develop and practice your own personal strategy at a
>> dramatically
>> > reduced price compared to practicing in the actual lab! :-) Be sure you
>> > take
>> > advantage of that.
>> >
>> > - Anthony Sequeira
>> > www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/>
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > groupstudy_at_nyms.net
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:47 AM
>> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Advice on reading the whole lab before starting?
>> >
>> > Not sure if anyone commenting on here has passed v4, but I've tried and
>> > time
>> > is definitely of the essence.
>> >
>> > So I'm wondering - for all you guys who've passed v3 or v4, did you read
>> > the
>> > whole task list through first? I know INE recommend to read it (and if
>> it's
>> > good enough to read once, it's good enough to read twice). Problem is -
>> > when
>> > I do this, it takes at least 30 minutes to read through just once. You
>> read
>> > the task, have a preliminary look at the routers involved on the diagram
>> > and
>> > make some notes (which often just regurgitate the task).
>> >
>> > If I read through, I spend time on each task familiarising with the
>> > topology
>> > and state of the part of the network relevant to the task. Then I move
>> onto
>> > the next task and by the time I go through the whole task list, the
>> first
>> > bits are largely forgotten.
>> >
>> > So I'm wondering, would it be SO dangerous to just do the tasks in a
>> linear
>> > fashion, reading a task through, then completing it before doing the
>> next
>> > task? I figure I can gain an extra 45 minutes odd doing this, and the
>> tasks
>> > are designed to be linear anyway.
>> >
>> > Or am I just being too detailed in the task reading? Is the point in
>> this
>> > to
>> > get a general idea of what's coming without assessing the finer points
>> of
>> > the topology on each task?
>> >
>> > Very keen to hear the strategy of passers, especially recent ones...
>> > THANKS!
>> >
>> >
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