It takes a guy with four CCIE's to refer to it as a "minimal" qualification.
;)
For the most part I agree with you, particularly about the QUALITY of
experience - that's the key differentiator.
-- Cheers, Jared Scrivener CCSI #30878, CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, SP, Security) www.MicronicsTraining.com Sr. Technical Instructor YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! Training And Remote Racks available LinkedIn:www.linkedin.com/in/jaredscrivener On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote: > Yeah, I agree there... I'd always say it depends on the QUALITY of > experience, but almost all the time I'd take the good experienced person > more so. Theory is always good, and being able to tweak things to strange > sets of rules is nice, but not the be-all-end-all in the real life needs. > > Whether a person used Dynamips or not is not entirely relevant. But how > they adapt to real things is. Remember that no matter how prestigious a > CCIE is, or how tough the lab exam is, it is still a set of minimal > qualifications in an artificial environment. So I wouldn't ever make an > assumption that everyone who has it is better than anyone who doesn't. > > > > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al. > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER > > evil_at_ine.com > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc. > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 > > Outside US: 775-826-4344 > > > Knowledge is power. > > Power corrupts. > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil...... > > > Radioactive Frog wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Jared Scrivener <lists_at_jaredscrivener.com > > wrote: > >> I'll take a dynamipper CCIE (I hate that term) over an experienced >> non-CCIE >> any day of the week. >> > > > What would be the most people's preference? would they like to be operated > by a doctor with 10 yrs experience in surgery or just brand new doctor with > 0.5 yrs experience? > > Same thing with business - the BIG bang project, they won't be hiring a > fresh CCIE to make the big bang happen! of course he'd be doing networking > part only. > > I agreed with you, yes it touches mos tof the topics which u'll see in > "CISCO" environment. but if there is something else between 2 cisco box, the > new CCIE will be obvious don't know about them. > > > > >> Experience teaches you a lot but it leaves a lot of >> holes in you knowledge on areas you haven't worked with. The CCIE covers >> all >> bases technically and operational skills can be learned on the fly >> relatively easily meaning you can do most roles comfortably. Working on a >> helpdesk (non-TAC) with a CCIE often implies someone doesn't know their >> own >> value or didn't learn good interview skills - I wish that was taught with >> the CCIE exam... >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> Jared Scrivener >> CCSI #30878, CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, SP, Security) >> >> www.MicronicsTraining.com >> Sr. Technical Instructor >> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! >> Training And Remote Racks available >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com >> >wrote: >> >> > I totally agreed with Scott. No cert can beat the experience. The >> > experience >> > will be the tie breaker. >> > just to give you an idea - I know a few fresh dynamipper ccie's (R&S of >> > course) and they are working as a helpdesk operator. >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > It's about theperson and their experiences that go along with the >> > knowledge >> > -------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:13 PM, ChoChan <cho.chanman_at_gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > You are going to also pee in a cup and get a skin graft sample to >> confirm >> > > DNA. Don't forget about the hernia test that the receptionist will >> > > administrate for maximum security. Cough. Cough. >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf >> Of >> > > Stephen Robinson >> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:37 PM >> > > To: Scott Morris; darth router >> > > Cc: Dark Fiber; Anthony Faria; John Pelletier; Ramanpreet Singh; >> > > group-study; Joseph L. Brunner >> > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ? >> > > >> > > Yeah Scott... >> > > >> > > The rest... "stop hate'n and get cha money on" >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Stephen L. Robinson >> > > srobinson_at_qtzl.com >> > > >> > > >> > > > From: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> >> > > > Organization: Internetwork Expert - CCIE Training >> > > > Reply-To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> >> > > > Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:15:14 -0500 >> > > > To: darth router <darklordrouter_at_gmail.com> >> > > > Cc: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>, Anthony Faria >> > > <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>, >> > > > John Pelletier <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>, Ramanpreet Singh >> > > > <sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com>, group-study <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, >> > > "Joseph >> > > L. >> > > > Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> >> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ? >> > > > >> > > > Blah, blah, blah... Dude, People have been saying the same thing >> > about >> > > > devaluation for the past 11+ years since I was studying/getting/got >> my >> > > > CCIE! >> > > > >> > > > Amazingly enough, there's still plenty of jobs... There still >> plenty >> > of >> > > > $$ to go with them... There is still plenty of people looking for >> > CCIEs. >> > > > >> > > > Why don't some people have jobs? Because like ANY other industry >> it's >> > > > not just about a title/piece-of-paper/number/whatever. It's about >> the >> > > > person and their experiences that go along with the knowledge. >> > > > >> > > > Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, >> > > > >> > > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al. >> > > > >> > > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER >> > > > >> > > > evil_at_ine.com >> > > > >> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc. >> > > > >> > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com >> > > > >> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 >> > > > >> > > > Outside US: 775-826-4344 >> > > > >> > > > Knowledge is power. >> > > > >> > > > Power corrupts. >> > > > >> > > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil...... >> > > > >> > > > darth router wrote: >> > > > >> > > > It's one step closer to assembly line mass production. At that >> point, >> > > simple >> > > > economics devalues it. The CCIE is valuable because of it's >> > reputation >> > > of >> > > > expertise, and because it is rare. If he former or latter go away, >> > then >> > > > what? >> > > > >> > > > Possibly no proctor? Lame. Less security as it's run by a third >> party >> > > > company? (we all know what this means) Lame. Cisco, the company? >> Mega >> > > gay >> > > > lame. Oh well, we should all know that putting our eggs in the >> same >> > > basket >> > > > isn't the smartest idea. Time to diversity! >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Dark Fiber < >> darkfiber08_at_gmail.com >> > > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > You guys are all so funny! How does this devalue the cert? You >> are >> > > > still taking the same exam and need to know the same material. >> What >> > > is >> > > > the difference between this and the mobile lab? Sounds as if >> alot >> > of >> > > > people are looking for any excuse not to study and take the easy >> > why >> > > > out by saying the CCIE is worthless now I quit... >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Anthony Faria < >> > > tfaria72_at_gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > LMAO >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:20 AM, John Pelletier < >> > > > john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > When I said Cisco is becoming more and more like MS some >> people >> > > jumped >> > > > >> > > > all >> > > > >> > > > over that statement. I wish I could pick em like that at the >> > > racetrack >> > > > I >> > > > would >> > > > be a rich man. >> > > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Joseph L. Brunner >> > > > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> >> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ? >> > > > To: "Ramanpreet Singh" <sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com> >> > > , >> > > > "CCIE Groupstudy" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> Date: >> > Tuesday, >> > > > February 9, 2010, 1:34 AM >> > > > >> > > > Excellent. >> > > > >> > > > I'm going to China to get my Medical License, My Gulfstream >> V >> > > Pilot's >> > > > License, >> > > > Certified Bank Examiner License, and oh, and my security >> CCIE. >> > > > >> > > > "High-Stakes" Wasn't that a Steven Seagal Movie? >> > > > >> > > > -Joe >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [ >> > > > mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com ] On Behalf Of >> > > > Ramanpreet Singh >> > > > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:14 PM >> > > > To: CCIE Groupstudy >> > > > Subject: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ? >> > > > >> > > > --- >> > > > February 8, 2010 >> > > > >> > > > New CCIE R&S Lab Exam Opportunities >> > > > >> > > > To increase testing opportunities for certification >> candidates, >> > > Cisco. >> > > > >> > > > will >> > > > >> > > > be offering the CCIE. 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