Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?

 Yeah, I agree there... I'd always say it depends on the QUALITY of
experience, but almost all the time I'd take the good experienced person
more so. Theory is always good, and being able to tweak things to
strange sets of rules is nice, but not the be-all-end-all in the real
life needs.

Whether a person used Dynamips or not is not entirely relevant. But how
they adapt to real things is. Remember that no matter how prestigious a
CCIE is, or how tough the lab exam is, it is still a set of minimal
qualifications in an artificial environment. So I wouldn't ever make an
assumption that everyone who has it is better than anyone who doesn't.

Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.

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Radioactive Frog wrote:

  On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Jared Scrivener <lists_at_jaredscrivener.com>
  wrote:

    I'll take a dynamipper CCIE (I hate that term) over an
    experienced non-CCIE
    any day of the week.

  What would be the most people's preference? would they like to be
  operated by a doctor with 10 yrs experience in surgery or just brand
  new doctor with 0.5 yrs experience?

  Same thing with business - the BIG bang project, they won't be hiring
  a fresh CCIE to make the big bang happen! of course he'd be doing
  networking part only.

  I agreed with you, yes it touches mos tof the topics which u'll see
  in "CISCO" environment. but if there is something else between 2
  cisco box, the new CCIE will be obvious don't know about them.

    Experience teaches you a lot but it leaves a lot of
    holes in you knowledge on areas you haven't worked with. The CCIE
    covers all
    bases technically and operational skills can be learned on the
    fly
    relatively easily meaning you can do most roles comfortably.
    Working on a
    helpdesk (non-TAC) with a CCIE often implies someone doesn't know
    their own
    value or didn't learn good interview skills - I wish that was
    taught with
    the CCIE exam...

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    On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> I totally agreed with Scott. No cert can beat the experience.
    The
> experience
> will be the tie breaker.
> just to give you an idea - I know a few fresh dynamipper ccie's
    (R&S of
> course) and they are working as a helpdesk operator.
>
> ------------------------------
> It's about theperson and their experiences that go along with
    the
> knowledge
> --------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:13 PM, ChoChan <cho.chanman_at_gmail.com>
    wrote:
>
> > You are going to also pee in a cup and get a skin graft
    sample to confirm
> > DNA. Don't forget about the hernia test that the receptionist
    will
> > administrate for maximum security. Cough. Cough.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
    Behalf Of
> > Stephen Robinson
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:37 PM
> > To: Scott Morris; darth router
> > Cc: Dark Fiber; Anthony Faria; John Pelletier; Ramanpreet
    Singh;
> > group-study; Joseph L. Brunner
> > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?
> >
> > Yeah Scott...
> >
> > The rest... "stop hate'n and get cha money on"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen L. Robinson
> > srobinson_at_qtzl.com
> >
> >
> > > From: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
> > > Organization: Internetwork Expert - CCIE Training
> > > Reply-To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
> > > Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:15:14 -0500
> > > To: darth router <darklordrouter_at_gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>, Anthony Faria
> > <tfaria72_at_gmail.com>,
> > > John Pelletier <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>,
    Ramanpreet Singh
> > > <sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com>, group-study <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>,
> > "Joseph
> > L.
> > > Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?
> > >
> > > Blah, blah, blah... Dude, People have been saying the same
    thing
> about
> > > devaluation for the past 11+ years since I was
    studying/getting/got my
> > > CCIE!
> > >
> > > Amazingly enough, there's still plenty of jobs... There
    still plenty
> of
> > > $$ to go with them... There is still plenty of people
    looking for
> CCIEs.
> > >
> > > Why don't some people have jobs? Because like ANY other
    industry it's
> > > not just about a title/piece-of-paper/number/whatever.
     It's about the
> > > person and their experiences that go along with the
    knowledge.
> > >
> > > Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
    Provider) #4713,
> > >
> > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > >
> > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > >
> > > evil_at_ine.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > >
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >
> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.
> > >
> > > Power corrupts.
> > >
> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >
> > > darth router wrote:
> > >
> > > It's one step closer to assembly line mass production. At
    that point,
> > simple
> > > economics devalues it. The CCIE is valuable because of it's
> reputation
> > of
> > > expertise, and because it is rare. If he former or latter
    go away,
> then
> > > what?
> > >
> > > Possibly no proctor? Lame. Less security as it's run by a
    third party
> > > company? (we all know what this means) Lame. Cisco, the
    company? Mega
> > gay
> > > lame. Oh well, we should all know that putting our eggs in
    the same
> > basket
> > > isn't the smartest idea. Time to diversity!
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > You guys are all so funny! How does this devalue the cert?
    You are
> > > still taking the same exam and need to know the same
    material. What
> > is
> > > the difference between this and the mobile lab? Sounds as
    if alot
> of
> > > people are looking for any excuse not to study and take the
    easy
> why
> > > out by saying the CCIE is worthless now I quit...
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Anthony Faria <
> > tfaria72_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > LMAO
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:20 AM, John Pelletier <
> > > john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > When I said Cisco is becoming more and more like MS some
    people
> > jumped
> > >
> > > all
> > >
> > > over that statement. I wish I could pick em like that at
    the
> > racetrack
> > > I
> > > would
> > > be a rich man.
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Joseph L. Brunner
> > > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?
> > > To: "Ramanpreet Singh" <sikandar.raman_at_gmail.com>
> > ,
> > > "CCIE Groupstudy" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> Date:
> Tuesday,
> > > February 9, 2010, 1:34 AM
> > >
> > > Excellent.
> > >
> > > I'm going to China to get my Medical License, My Gulfstream
    V
> > Pilot's
> > > License,
> > > Certified Bank Examiner License, and oh, and my security
    CCIE.
> > >
> > > "High-Stakes" Wasn't that a Steven Seagal Movie?
> > >
> > > -Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [
> > > mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com ] On Behalf Of
> > > Ramanpreet Singh
> > > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:14 PM
> > > To: CCIE Groupstudy
> > > Subject: CCIE R&S Lab Exam at Pearson ?
> > >
> > > ---
> > > February 8, 2010
> > >
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