Re: RTP under EIGRP from Charles.Henson_at_regions.com on 2010-02-09 (Ccielab archives /201002)

From: <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:00:34 -0600

BLEH. I should have read a little further. I will lab it up tonight as you
and Bryan have recommended. Thanks to both of your for your insight.

Charles Henson

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Check out p289 in the same book. It notes the EIGRP header with fields.
These include SEQ and ACK and it specifically says ACK are only non-zero
when unicasted. Also remember, as stated on p264 the updates themselves are
reliable. The ACK itself is NOT reliable!!! So...

RTRA mcasts SEQ A, ACK 0
RTRB unicasts reply ACK A
RTRC unicasts reply ACK A

RTRA mcasts SEQ B, ACK 0
RTRB unicasts reply ACK B
RTRC unicasts reply ACK B

Honestly I'd have to whip out wireshark to validate but I am pretty sure
that is how it works

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From: Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:02:38
To: Joe Astorino<jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
Cc: CCIE Groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: RTP under EIGRP

Thanks Joe. Any insight would be appreciated. I'm trying to google
something more detailed as well....

Charles Henson

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Let me dig into this a bit more Chris. I need to double check some things
with this. My PC is down right now I will look into it later or perhaps one
of the other members has the answer

Regards,

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From: Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:43:35
To: <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
Cc: CCIE Groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: RTP under EIGRP

Thanks Joe. But the sending router continues to MCast. So he sends his
first MCast with only a source seq number? And then he gets an ACK with a
seq number from router B and an ACK with a seq number from router B. So he
has a seq number from both downstream routers. Yet he still sends MCast and
not unicast so which sequence number does he plug in along with his own so
the downstream router(s) know it's a reliable transmission and nothing has
been missed? Or does he send out two MCasts (redundant) to the network?
That's what I'm confused on....

Charles Henson

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They are two separate streams. Think about it like TCP SYN/ACK. The sending
router keeps track of thing with multiple recipients and has multiple sets
of seq numbers

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Subject: RTP under EIGRP
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I may be reading too much into this. Reading the Doyle books for fun.
Routing TCP/IP Vol 1 Second Edition:

####################################################################################################################

Page 264 Operation of EIGRP
Reliable Transport Protocol
The Reliable Transport Protocol (RTP) manages the delivery and reception of
EIGRP
packets. Reliable delivery means that delivery is guaranteed and that
packets will be
delivered in order.
Guaranteed delivery is accomplished by means of a Cisco-proprietary
algorithm known as
reliable multicast, using the reserved class D address 224.0.0.10. Each
neighbor receiving
a reliably multicast packet unicasts an acknowledgment.
Ordered delivery is ensured by including two sequence numbers in the
packet. Each packet
includes a sequence number assigned by the sending router. This sequence
number is
incremented by one each time the router sends a new packet. In addition,
the sending router
places in the packet the sequence number of the last packet received from
the destination
router.
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If I have a segment with three routers on it and Router A sends an MCast to
router B and C, then he should get an acknowledgement back from both. That
makes sense. But then it says that Router A sends his own sequence number
as well as the sequence number from the destination router to guarantee
delivery. If there are multiple receiving routers (hence using multicast in
the first place) then how is router A using a sequence number of a
destination router to guarantee delivery. His own sequence number I
understand. But the downstream router?

Any help would be appreciated.

Charles Henson

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