RE: What about the troubleshooting part - allowed commands

Sorry Narbik... I basically did a dido on your reply a moment ago.

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From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:26 PM
To: Anthony Sequeira
Cc: smorris_at_ine.com; S Malik; Marko Milivojevic; CCIE-Newbie; Cisco
certification
Subject: Re: What about the troubleshooting part - allowed commands

You see, I agree with Anthony.

In our TS labs we do not restrict the students from any SHOW commands but we
have tried our best to use all the other show and debug commands so the
students can see and learn them.
But you should NOT think that a "Show run" command is a bad one or is NOT a
CCIE level command.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com> wrote:

> In the many INE materials that mimic the actual lab exam - all
> Troubleshooting commands are available and encouraged.
>
> The Volume 4 workbook (alluded to in this thread) is not meant to mimic
the
> actual CCIE lab exam directly. It is a learning tool for Troubleshooting
> that is attempting to force exploration of more than "show run" in certain
> instances.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>
> > When there is a problem, i recommend doing anything possible to fix the
> > problem as fast as possible, but to say you can not use the show run to
> > resolve a problem, its crazy, i dont think you will face that in the
real
> > world or the CCIE lab. Could you imagine, you walk in to your clients
> firm,
> > and he asks you to fix this problem without using the following SHOW
> > commands.
> > Next thing you know they will remap the keys on the keyboard.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It is crazy to rely on show run if you are dealing with a significant
> >> amount of routers. Why not learn to let the routers/switches tell you
> what
> >> the problem is?
> >>
> >> Yes, it's a useful tool, but it doesn't preclude needing to know other
> >> things.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >>
> >> It is crazy to do bunch of show commands with regexp just to avoid the
> sh
> >> runs, show run is a useful tool when Troubleshooting.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:11 AM, S Malik <ccie.09_at_gmail.com> <
> ccie.09_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you like to Master the troubleshooting then please do it without
> using
> >> "sh run".
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
> markom_at_ipexpert.com
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:31, CCIE-Newbie <ccie_ka_at_gmx.de> <
> ccie_ka_at_gmx.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi group,
> >>
> >> currently I'm playing around with troubleshooting labs.
> >> Please can anyone tell me if can do a "show run" or just like "show run
> >> int x/y " ??
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, you can. There are no artificial restrictions in that section.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I heard it is not allowed in the troubleshooting section to do this
> >> commands !!
> >>
> >>
> >> Some training vendors have troubleshooting labs in which they impose
> >> this restriction to force you not to use your best troubleshooting
> >> tool ( ;-) ), with the purpose to learn other show and debug commands.
> >> It's not something you will see on the lab, however.
> >>
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