RE: What about the troubleshooting part - allowed commands

Troubleshooting is a skill acquired by experience.

Experience will tell you the best path to take based on the problem.

For instance if a task said telnet to RX is broken. I personally would test
from where it needs to work, if that doesn't work I would then test from the
local device and if that also fails then I would look at the output of show
run | section line vty, and start working from there. If it works from the
local device then I would check for ACL's along the path using show run
interface, ping etc.

I don't think limiting the ability to look at the running configuration is
helping students to understand the lab, but I do agree it will help to force
the user to learn techniques that are not acquired by simply doing a show
run on all the devices.

Although in our workbooks we don't restrict from using a show run, rarely is
it used to solve problems in our detailed solution guides. Rather we help
teach the students techniques that can help them become familiar with the
process of elimination and isolation. And in my opinion that is the key to
success.

But there are many ways to help students prepare.

Regards,
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Sequeira
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:57 AM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: smorris_at_ine.com; S Malik; Marko Milivojevic; CCIE-Newbie; Cisco
certification
Subject: Re: What about the troubleshooting part - allowed commands

In the many INE materials that mimic the actual lab exam - all
Troubleshooting commands are available and encouraged.

The Volume 4 workbook (alluded to in this thread) is not meant to mimic the
actual CCIE lab exam directly. It is a learning tool for Troubleshooting
that is attempting to force exploration of more than "show run" in certain
instances.

Warmest Regards,

Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
http://www.INE.com

On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:

> When there is a problem, i recommend doing anything possible to fix the
> problem as fast as possible, but to say you can not use the show run to
> resolve a problem, its crazy, i dont think you will face that in the real
> world or the CCIE lab. Could you imagine, you walk in to your clients
firm,
> and he asks you to fix this problem without using the following SHOW
> commands.
> Next thing you know they will remap the keys on the keyboard.
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>> It is crazy to rely on show run if you are dealing with a significant
>> amount of routers. Why not learn to let the routers/switches tell you
what
>> the problem is?
>>
>> Yes, it's a useful tool, but it doesn't preclude needing to know other
>> things.
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>> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>
>> It is crazy to do bunch of show commands with regexp just to avoid the sh
>> runs, show run is a useful tool when Troubleshooting.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:11 AM, S Malik <ccie.09_at_gmail.com>
<ccie.09_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> If you like to Master the troubleshooting then please do it without using
>> "sh run".
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com
>>
>> wrote:
>>
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>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:31, CCIE-Newbie <ccie_ka_at_gmx.de>
<ccie_ka_at_gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi group,
>>
>> currently I'm playing around with troubleshooting labs.
>> Please can anyone tell me if can do a "show run" or just like "show run
>> int x/y " ??
>>
>>
>> Yes, you can. There are no artificial restrictions in that section.
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard it is not allowed in the troubleshooting section to do this
>> commands !!
>>
>>
>> Some training vendors have troubleshooting labs in which they impose
>> this restriction to force you not to use your best troubleshooting
>> tool ( ;-) ), with the purpose to learn other show and debug commands.
>> It's not something you will see on the lab, however.
>>
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