Re: My Lab Attempt R&S v4.0

Nadeem,

One other thing I want to add. After each lab I practice I do what I call a
"post mordem" on the exam. Essentially I critique my own attempts and I ask
myself questions. I'll give you some examples

1. If I got this exam would I pass it?
2. Grade my performance on each section. I understood it well and if I
didn't why? Lazy, tired, afraid of the technology. Stumped on formula...etc
3. For each section links to research note whether it's Google, Cisco, Lab
vendor, or Groupstudy.
4. Am I using the answer keys too often? If so maybe you need to do more
reading on the subject
5. Is this related to any other technology and if so why. What are the
differences

I keep this on seperate document for each lab. It helps me understand what I
am doing, why, and what are the roadblocks, caveats...etc. Be honest with
yourself no one has to see this but you. Its for your development. I learned
a spiritual principle many years ago that went like this. If I write down
all the things that are going on inside my head and I can clearly see them
on paper. I make more room for new things inside my head.

Good Luck

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion about "research". This will certainly will help
> me.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Nadeem Rafi
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Bryan Stair <uptown.ccie_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Nadeem,
>>
>> Here what I can say about your question. I have used both NetMaster and
>> INE lab books. If you "MASTER" the labs inside you should have no problem.
>> Again understand each and everything they throw at you and you are ready.
>> I've noticed that the things I overlooked or just didn't feel was too
>> significant or even did not understand for some strange reason showed up on
>> the test. Everytime I get stuck on a lab I make sure I research and find the
>> answers to the problem because that may be on the exam and could potentially
>> stop me from getting the number. If I would have adopted that before I would
>> be claiming success. I have a variety of lab books and they all in someway
>> get you ready for the challenge. I hope that helps
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bryan Stair,
>>> I hope you can do it next time, you have right attitude for it.
>>>
>>> Do u have used any vendor for your studies, and what you think about that
>>> vendor's material as compared to actual lab?
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Nadeem Rafi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Raman.
>>>>
>>>> For our Version 4 Mock Labs - we are now all electronic, on-screen.
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Ramanpreet Singh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Anthony,
>>>> >
>>>> > Does INE or any other vendor has mock labs built similar to actual Lab
>>>> > screen environment?
>>>> >
>>>> > Just curious as it will be a good way to practice.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Raman
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Go get it on that next attempt! Obviously, you will!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks so much for taking the time to share this valuable feedback.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Bryan Stair wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> To All,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I just attempted the latest version of the R&S lab in RTP. I had
>>>> been
>>>> >>> reading the threads on people's assumptions about the exam, so I'd
>>>> like to
>>>> >>> chime in. First off the OEQ on both my attempts V3.0 & 4.0 were
>>>> gimme
>>>> >>> points. If you passed any other certification or studied like I have
>>>> the
>>>> >>> questions were a breeze. I suspect I answered them all corectly just
>>>> like
>>>> >>> last time. The troubleshooting I did well on. One caveat is the
>>>> first
>>>> >>> question Cisco is trying to scare you into believing you know
>>>> nothing about
>>>> >>> networking. I spent my career troubleshooting all the complex
>>>> problems on
>>>> >>> everybody's network so this was actually something I felt at home
>>>> with. The
>>>> >>> diagram is intimidating but again if you put your time into the lab
>>>> you
>>>> >>> should have no problems. Plus while studying for this attempt after
>>>> working
>>>> >>> all day and night (yes some of us have families to feed) I've made
>>>> careless
>>>> >>> mistakes on my home lab and spent lots of time figuring out the
>>>> problems
>>>> >>> (just look at one my last threads and you'll see what I mean). I
>>>> believe
>>>> >>> that good engineers are made up of a couple of things and
>>>> troubleshooting
>>>> >>> must be one of them. If you can document and design as well as
>>>> explain
>>>> >>> things in layman's terms then in my eyes you can walk on water.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Now for the not so good part. I've attempted the lab several times
>>>> in
>>>> >>> different countries and this one was a little different. I think the
>>>> >>> questions were actually simpler than any labs I have taken, however
>>>> the you
>>>> >>> better have a system down on how to keep a track of the way they set
>>>> things
>>>> >>> up. For instance no more lab book, all on one screen. Difficult!!!
>>>> if you
>>>> >>> think your going to redraw the lab and have time for each section
>>>> Good Luck
>>>> >>> (remember your less two hours for the same number of tasks). Cisco
>>>> has a way
>>>> >>> of throwing some tricks into the mix that if your not ready will
>>>> stop you.
>>>> >>> They got me again, if I didn't blackhole twice I would have
>>>> completed
>>>> >>> everything. DON'T BLACK HOLE JUST MOVE ON!!! If you master the
>>>> screen
>>>> >>> layouts and how to navigate all the topology diagrams plus the
>>>> questions
>>>> >>> your home free, since they are not throwing too many complex
>>>> problems at
>>>> >>> you. The trick here is to practice redrawing, and keeping a track of
>>>> the
>>>> >>> screens, plus any check lists. They had several questions on things
>>>> that I
>>>> >>> practiced at home, but most people would not think is on the lab. I
>>>> don't
>>>> >>> want to break the NDA so I can't say, but most people over look that
>>>> one.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I am optimistic I already getting ready for the next attempt, since
>>>> I always
>>>> >>> believed I can pass. This format is DO-ABLE. YES YOU CAN PASS, just
>>>> like the
>>>> >>> gentlemen the other day. My road ahead is just organizing my
>>>> strategy, and
>>>> >>> brushing up on a few things. I'll keep trying until I succeed. I
>>>> can't
>>>> >>> accept not trying "Michael Jordan".
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Welcome to the CCIE the joy is in the Journey
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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