RE: CCIE Data Center?

Hehe...yup. I do both as well...

And, even some CCIEs have owned their own Cisco partner. :)

tv

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Larry Hadrava
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:34 AM
To: Tony Varriale
Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE Data Center?

As a CCIE I have done a lot of pre-sales along with post sales
implementation and support. If it is designed correctly in the first place,
it is much easier to implement and support;-)

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On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Tony Varriale
<tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>wrote:
> Although there are plenty of CCIEs that do presales...notice I said CCDE.
>
> tv
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>  Florian Frotzler
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:06 AM
> To: Tony Varriale
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE Data Center?
>
> I hope I don't offend anyone here, but I just imagined a pre-sales guy
> taking the CCIE, seems unlikely, at least in my working environment.
>
> Cheers,
> Florian
>
> 2009/12/9 Tony Varriale <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>:
> > ?
> >
> > tv
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Florian Frotzler [mailto:florian_at_frotzler.priv.at]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:09 AM
> > To: Tony Varriale
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Data Center?
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > 2009/12/9 Tony Varriale <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>:
> >> Well, from what I've read (I haven't taken the test) that is the CCDE.
> >>
> >> tv
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Mark
> >> Matters
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:04 AM
> >> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: CCIE Data Center?
> >>
> >> How about a CCIE Pre-Sales.  j/k
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Tony Varriale
> >> <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would disagree...it won't be religion based.
> >>>
> >>> The original Design cert was a failure for a number of reasons.  As
for
> >> the
> >>> CCDE, I can't if it's successful or not as I have not seen it yet.
> Based
> >>> on
> >>> the existing data, I would say it's going to have a long uphill
battle.
> >>>  And
> >>> I don't see the top of the mountain yet.
> >>>
> >>> But as for DC, it will be more than fine.  All of the CCIE certs are
> post
> >>> sales based and I assume DC will be too.  Making them post sales is
the
> >>> easy
> >>> part.  Every area/technology has more than one way to skin the cat.
> >>>
> >>> It's presales that is the difficult part.
> >>>
> >>> tv
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> Travis Niedens
> >>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:47 PM
> >>> To: iwan_at_ipexpert.com; marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
> >>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: RE: CCIE Data Center?
> >>>
> >>> Two words:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> About Time !
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I fear however that this can become somewhat of a "religious" cert
like
> >> the
> >>> "design" cert was.  There are many ways to skin a cat in the DC
> >> environment
> >>> and as most DC engineers / architects can attest to, there are always
> >>> battles
> >>> that are waged to get to a final design / implementation plan.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Travis
> >>>
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