Re: R&S v4.0 Points

Don't fool yourself, this cert is not even close to going bankrupt over...

On 12/8/09, John Gitau <jgitau_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> far as I can tell, its cisco's certification. They can grade it
> whichever way they want, add whatever they want, we can choose to
> adapt and take it on, or whine and move on .. and bitch about it till
> hell freezes over - the world moves on...in the end it doesn't change
> the fact that it is their certification and they will and can do
> whatever they want with it (whether or not they take our concerns into
> consideration is irrelevant as far as taking or not taking the exam is
> concerned -I personally find some of the concerns hilarious
> )....adapt, work a little harder, pass or give up and move on to a
> masters as some people have suggested, or use the money for soething
> else..., move your network to another vendor and certify with
> them(JCIE,HCIE:-)):-) ......
>
> personally I will take the 4.0 probably several times though thats not
> my plan...but I'll nail it in the end (or go bankrupt).... i just hope
> enough of you will have given up to make it worthwhile for the few
> guys who finally ace it :-) .......
>
> JGitau
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>> The question is not weather it is scored all or nothing or not -- we
>> already
>> know that it is. There will be sections with a certain point value, for
>> instance "BGP" with a point value. If you pass the section you get the
>> points. If you miss a sub-task you do not get the points. The thing that
>> seemed to be scaring people was the possibility that something like BGP
>> would be 12 points or something and if you missed one little subtask you
>> just lost 12 points and fail the lab.
>>
>> As Anthony said earlier, and as someone else confirmed we should NOT
>> expect
>> to see general task areas that are worth much more than around 4ish points
>> so this should not be much different than what we are used to. It's not
>> like if you miss two sub-tasks you fail the lab as the general task points
>> should not be worth an extreme amount of points.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jack Router <pan.router_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From all people who posted to this thread, only one actually took the
>>> Lab4.
>>> Tony said that he was scored all or nothing per section. Is it possible
>>> to
>>> get a clarification from the source, Cisco ? I guess vendors here could
>>> ask
>>> Cisco directly, in their own interest :)
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Joe
>>> Astorino
>>> Sent: 4-Dec-09 17:18
>>> To: Tony Varriale
>>> Cc: Cisco certification
>>> Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
>>>
>>> Tony, like Anthony said and as one of my students confirmed there should
>>> be
>>> no "massively large" point value sections now so it should be quite
>>> passable. Don't give up.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Tony Varriale
>>> <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> > They did everyone a huge disservice moving to smaller point questions
>>> > (instead of 4-6 pointers). Now, they move to 10 pointers?
>>> >
>>> > Not sure why they keep missing the mark. It was fine before the move
>>> > to
>>> > 2-3
>>> > point questions.
>>> >
>>> > tv
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> > Joe
>>> > Astorino
>>> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:05 PM
>>> > To: Anthony Sequeira
>>> > Cc: Dark Fiber; Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota); Cisco
>>> > certification;
>>> > ron wilkerson; jose manzano
>>> > Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
>>> >
>>> > Cool, Cool...having spoken to this student, he agrees with your
>>> > statement
>>> > as
>>> > well that there should be no HUGE tasks whereby if you fail a single
>>> > tiny
>>> > subtask you basically fail the exam.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Sounds awesome Joe - I was not snipping of course, just commenting on
>>> > what
>>> > > I thought I read.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Joe Astorino wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Anthony,
>>> > >
>>> > > I wasn't saying there ARE 10+ point tasks, it was strictly an EXAMPLE
>>> to
>>> > > make the point of my question. With that being said, I have HEARD of
>>> > > sections being worth quite a bit more than that. I cannot however
>>> > confirm
>>> > > that. If the max. points for a task is 4 points then that is fine
>>> > > and
>>> > quite
>>> > > a bit more on track to what I would expect.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com
>>> > >wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> A Masters Degree gets you nothing!
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Just kidding!
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Here is the deal - you do not have to perfect to achieve the cert in
>>> > this
>>> > >> format. To review....
>>> > >>
>>> > >> You may miss one of four Core Knowledge questions.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> You may miss 20% of the Trouble Tickets.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> You may miss 20% of the Configuration tasks.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> As our own Petr L. pointed out here in GS some time ago - this is a
>>> > >> tougher format. But, while tougher, it does not require perfection,
>>> and
>>> > it
>>> > >> is passable. You will see the passing score reports begin this month
>>> > >> I
>>> > am
>>> > >> willing to bet.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> :-)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Warmest Regards,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>> > >> Senior CCIE Instructor
>>> > >> http://www.INE.com
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> > >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>> > >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Dark Fiber wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > Whether it is 4 or 10 points it is still all or nothing for the
>>> whole
>>> > >> section. That seems a little intense...
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Maybe it is just time to revisit the masters degree and forget
>>> > >> > about
>>> > all
>>> > >> this :). Having to be perfect for a certification just does not seem
>>> > that
>>> > >> time in equals what you get out of it...
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >> > From: "Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>>> > >> > To: "Dark Fiber" <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
>>> > >> > Cc: "Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota)" <
>>> rodrigo.gutierrez_at_nsn.com
>>> > >,
>>> > >> "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "ron wilkerson" <
>>> > >> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, "jose manzano" <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
>>> > >> > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 3:09:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
>>> Eastern
>>> > >> > Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Be calm GS. The original post had a pretty big error. There are no
>>> 10
>>> > >> point tasks in the new lab!
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > It is true that what may have been several independent tasks
>>> > >> > before
>>> > may
>>> > >> be combined, but 4 points is the maximum someone should still expect
>>> per
>>> > >> task.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Warmest Regards,
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>> > >> > Senior CCIE Instructor
>>> > >> > http://www.INE.com
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> > >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>> > >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dark Fiber wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> If this is true I am not even going to bother to retake my lab...
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> If you need to be perfect for the "whole" section that is
>>> > >> >> absurd...
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >> >> From: "Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota)" <
>>> > rodrigo.gutierrez_at_nsn.com
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> To: "ron wilkerson" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, "jose manzano" <
>>> > >> josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
>>> > >> >> Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> > >> >> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 2:25:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
>>> > Eastern
>>> > >> >> Subject: RE: R&S v4.0 Points
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> If that's the way then it sucks !!!!!! That means the candidates
>>> that
>>> > >> go
>>> > >> >> for the exam gotta to be almost perfect 2 dummy answers in any
>>> giving
>>> > >> >> section will make him fail the exam..
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> > >> Of
>>> > >> >> ext ron wilkerson
>>> > >> >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:17 PM
>>> > >> >> To: jose manzano
>>> > >> >> Cc: Cisco certification
>>> > >> >> Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> if this is true, might explain why so few have been passing as of
>>> > late.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, jose manzano <
>>> josermanzano_at_gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > >> >> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>> Ditto .... I've read more than one review that stated the same
>>> ....
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>> When you take into consideration how certain tasks/sections can
>>> > >> >>> indirectly effect tasks in other sections.....you could be
>>> > >> >>> looking
>>> > to
>>> > >> >> fail
>>> > >> >>> multiple sections just by missing a single task.
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>> The scoring sucks..... plain and simple
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Larry Hadrava <
>>> > larryh12203_at_gmail.com>
>>> > >> >>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>>> Joe:
>>> > >> >>>> I have heard this from a couple of folks as well.
>>> > >> >>>> --
>>> > >> >>>> Thanks
>>> > >> >>>> Larry Hadrava
>>> > >> >>>> CCIE #12203
>>> > >> >>>> Check Out MyBlog: http://ccie12203.wordpress.com/
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Joe Astorino
>>> > >> >> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
>>> > >> >>>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> I don't know if this has been confirmed by anybody, but I have
>>> > >> >>>>> a
>>> > >> >>> student
>>> > >> >>>>> this week that has taken the v4.0 lab exam and has told us
>>> > >> >>>>> that
>>> > >> >> the
>>> > >> >>>>> sections
>>> > >> >>>>> are no longer broken into sub-tasks with points. For
>>> > >> >>>>> instance,
>>> in
>>> > >> >> v3.0
>>> > >> >>>> we
>>> > >> >>>>> had for example:
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> BGP section 4 (10 points)
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> Task 4.1 (3 points)
>>> > >> >>>>> Task 4.2 (3 points)
>>> > >> >>>>> Task 4.3 (2 points)
>>> > >> >>>>> Task 4.4 (2 points)
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> According to this individual, he was only give a general "BGP
>>> > >> >>>>> --
>>> > >> >> 10
>>> > >> >>>> points"
>>> > >> >>>>> as an example. I thought that sounded pretty harsh -- You get
>>> 10
>>> > >> >> or
>>> > >> >>>>> nothing? Can anybody confirm this?
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> --
>>> > >> >>>>> Regards,
>>> > >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >>>>> Joe Astorino CCIE #24347 (R&S)
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