Re: R&S v4.0 Points

The question is not weather it is scored all or nothing or not -- we already
know that it is. There will be sections with a certain point value, for
instance "BGP" with a point value. If you pass the section you get the
points. If you miss a sub-task you do not get the points. The thing that
seemed to be scaring people was the possibility that something like BGP
would be 12 points or something and if you missed one little subtask you
just lost 12 points and fail the lab.

As Anthony said earlier, and as someone else confirmed we should NOT expect
to see general task areas that are worth much more than around 4ish points
so this should not be much different than what we are used to. It's not
like if you miss two sub-tasks you fail the lab as the general task points
should not be worth an extreme amount of points.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jack Router <pan.router_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> From all people who posted to this thread, only one actually took the Lab4.
> Tony said that he was scored all or nothing per section. Is it possible to
> get a clarification from the source, Cisco ? I guess vendors here could ask
> Cisco directly, in their own interest :)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joe
> Astorino
> Sent: 4-Dec-09 17:18
> To: Tony Varriale
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
>
> Tony, like Anthony said and as one of my students confirmed there should be
> no "massively large" point value sections now so it should be quite
> passable. Don't give up.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Tony Varriale
> <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>wrote:
>
> > They did everyone a huge disservice moving to smaller point questions
> > (instead of 4-6 pointers). Now, they move to 10 pointers?
> >
> > Not sure why they keep missing the mark. It was fine before the move to
> > 2-3
> > point questions.
> >
> > tv
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Joe
> > Astorino
> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:05 PM
> > To: Anthony Sequeira
> > Cc: Dark Fiber; Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota); Cisco certification;
> > ron wilkerson; jose manzano
> > Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
> >
> > Cool, Cool...having spoken to this student, he agrees with your statement
> > as
> > well that there should be no HUGE tasks whereby if you fail a single tiny
> > subtask you basically fail the exam.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds awesome Joe - I was not snipping of course, just commenting on
> > what
> > > I thought I read.
> > >
> > > On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Joe Astorino wrote:
> > >
> > > Anthony,
> > >
> > > I wasn't saying there ARE 10+ point tasks, it was strictly an EXAMPLE
> to
> > > make the point of my question. With that being said, I have HEARD of
> > > sections being worth quite a bit more than that. I cannot however
> > confirm
> > > that. If the max. points for a task is 4 points then that is fine and
> > quite
> > > a bit more on track to what I would expect.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> A Masters Degree gets you nothing!
> > >>
> > >> Just kidding!
> > >>
> > >> Here is the deal - you do not have to perfect to achieve the cert in
> > this
> > >> format. To review....
> > >>
> > >> You may miss one of four Core Knowledge questions.
> > >>
> > >> You may miss 20% of the Trouble Tickets.
> > >>
> > >> You may miss 20% of the Configuration tasks.
> > >>
> > >> As our own Petr L. pointed out here in GS some time ago - this is a
> > >> tougher format. But, while tougher, it does not require perfection,
> and
> > it
> > >> is passable. You will see the passing score reports begin this month I
> > am
> > >> willing to bet.
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >>
> > >> Warmest Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > >> Senior CCIE Instructor
> > >> http://www.INE.com
> > >>
> > >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Dark Fiber wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Whether it is 4 or 10 points it is still all or nothing for the
> whole
> > >> section. That seems a little intense...
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe it is just time to revisit the masters degree and forget about
> > all
> > >> this :). Having to be perfect for a certification just does not seem
> > that
> > >> time in equals what you get out of it...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> > >> > To: "Dark Fiber" <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
> > >> > Cc: "Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota)" <
> rodrigo.gutierrez_at_nsn.com
> > >,
> > >> "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "ron wilkerson" <
> > >> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, "jose manzano" <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> > >> > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 3:09:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> > >> > Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
> > >> >
> > >> > Be calm GS. The original post had a pretty big error. There are no
> 10
> > >> point tasks in the new lab!
> > >> >
> > >> > It is true that what may have been several independent tasks before
> > may
> > >> be combined, but 4 points is the maximum someone should still expect
> per
> > >> task.
> > >> >
> > >> > Warmest Regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > >> > Senior CCIE Instructor
> > >> > http://www.INE.com
> > >> >
> > >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >> >
> > >> > On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dark Fiber wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> If this is true I am not even going to bother to retake my lab...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If you need to be perfect for the "whole" section that is absurd...
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: "Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota)" <
> > rodrigo.gutierrez_at_nsn.com
> > >> >
> > >> >> To: "ron wilkerson" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, "jose manzano" <
> > >> josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> > >> >> Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >> >> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 2:25:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> > Eastern
> > >> >> Subject: RE: R&S v4.0 Points
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's the way then it sucks !!!!!! That means the candidates
> that
> > >> go
> > >> >> for the exam gotta to be almost perfect 2 dummy answers in any
> giving
> > >> >> section will make him fail the exam..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >> >> ext ron wilkerson
> > >> >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:17 PM
> > >> >> To: jose manzano
> > >> >> Cc: Cisco certification
> > >> >> Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
> > >> >>
> > >> >> if this is true, might explain why so few have been passing as of
> > late.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, jose manzano <
> josermanzano_at_gmail.com
> > >
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Ditto .... I've read more than one review that stated the same
> ....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> When you take into consideration how certain tasks/sections can
> > >> >>> indirectly effect tasks in other sections.....you could be looking
> > to
> > >> >> fail
> > >> >>> multiple sections just by missing a single task.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The scoring sucks..... plain and simple
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Larry Hadrava <
> > larryh12203_at_gmail.com>
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Joe:
> > >> >>>> I have heard this from a couple of folks as well.
> > >> >>>> --
> > >> >>>> Thanks
> > >> >>>> Larry Hadrava
> > >> >>>> CCIE #12203
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> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Joe Astorino
> > >> >> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> I don't know if this has been confirmed by anybody, but I have a
> > >> >>> student
> > >> >>>>> this week that has taken the v4.0 lab exam and has told us that
> > >> >> the
> > >> >>>>> sections
> > >> >>>>> are no longer broken into sub-tasks with points. For instance,
> in
> > >> >> v3.0
> > >> >>>> we
> > >> >>>>> had for example:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> BGP section 4 (10 points)
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Task 4.1 (3 points)
> > >> >>>>> Task 4.2 (3 points)
> > >> >>>>> Task 4.3 (2 points)
> > >> >>>>> Task 4.4 (2 points)
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> According to this individual, he was only give a general "BGP --
> > >> >> 10
> > >> >>>> points"
> > >> >>>>> as an example. I thought that sounded pretty harsh -- You get
> 10
> > >> >> or
> > >> >>>>> nothing? Can anybody confirm this?
> > >> >>>>>
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