Re: R&S v4.0 Points

No I dont :)
I want to get it over with just like a lot of people.
But I also know that walking away after investing the time spent thus far
would lead to greater anguish that the time spent thus far had not been
spent on the family etc.
Yes, noone has as yet passed, but I dont believe its nearly impossible to
pass.
I'm more of the opinion that it will take a lot more effort, a lot more
strategy, but it is doable.
Some people who have taken v4 think themselves that it IS possible to pass,
and having taken the lab they should know!
Do we need someone passing in order to say YES it IS possible! ?
Whether someone passes or not changes little or nothing, it is still up to
the individual to pass.

Later down the line some people will pass, its just a matter of time.

Certainly no harm in rethinking investments...this is an individual
decision, and those who want to walk away will do so.

2009/12/4 jose manzano <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>

> "If anyone is wavering over taking the lab as a result of hearing this,
> then
> Id suggest they need to re-evaluate their reasons for preparing for the
> lab."
>
> The only reason is to pass.. as it is for you , and everyone else.
>
> Look , do you honestly enjoy spending countless hours away from your
> family & friends plugging away at a cli and seeing months/years pass you
> by. I personally don't but do it willingly since I know it will benefit me
> and my family in the future once I pass the exam. Now, make the exam
> nearly
> impossible to pass and guess what, i start rethinking my investment , as do
> alot of people.
>
> BTW , I just love the how people post that the exam is passable....but
> yet no one to date has posted that they passed the new format.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Roy Waterman <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think it is "pointless" for those of us who are to be taking version 4
> to
> > be concerned over a matter like this.
> > Nothing we can do about it anyway.
> > This personally doesnt bother me, & I hope it doesnt bother any other
> > candidates preparing for v4.
> > I'm not going to suddenly throw my toys outta the pram, and give up.
> > Too much time has been invested to do that :)
> >
> > Just do it, as Nike says.
> >
> > If anyone is wavering over taking the lab as a result of hearing this,
> then
> > Id suggest they need to re-evaluate their reasons for preparing for the
> > lab.
> >
> > 2009/12/4 Tony Varriale <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>
> >
> > > They did everyone a huge disservice moving to smaller point questions
> > > (instead of 4-6 pointers). Now, they move to 10 pointers?
> > >
> > > Not sure why they keep missing the mark. It was fine before the move
> to
> > > 2-3
> > > point questions.
> > >
> > > tv
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Joe
> > > Astorino
> > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:05 PM
> > > To: Anthony Sequeira
> > > Cc: Dark Fiber; Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota); Cisco
> certification;
> > > ron wilkerson; jose manzano
> > > Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
> > >
> > > Cool, Cool...having spoken to this student, he agrees with your
> statement
> > > as
> > > well that there should be no HUGE tasks whereby if you fail a single
> tiny
> > > subtask you basically fail the exam.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sounds awesome Joe - I was not snipping of course, just commenting on
> > > what
> > > > I thought I read.
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Joe Astorino wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anthony,
> > > >
> > > > I wasn't saying there ARE 10+ point tasks, it was strictly an EXAMPLE
> > to
> > > > make the point of my question. With that being said, I have HEARD of
> > > > sections being worth quite a bit more than that. I cannot however
> > > confirm
> > > > that. If the max. points for a task is 4 points then that is fine
> and
> > > quite
> > > > a bit more on track to what I would expect.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> A Masters Degree gets you nothing!
> > > >>
> > > >> Just kidding!
> > > >>
> > > >> Here is the deal - you do not have to perfect to achieve the cert in
> > > this
> > > >> format. To review....
> > > >>
> > > >> You may miss one of four Core Knowledge questions.
> > > >>
> > > >> You may miss 20% of the Trouble Tickets.
> > > >>
> > > >> You may miss 20% of the Configuration tasks.
> > > >>
> > > >> As our own Petr L. pointed out here in GS some time ago - this is a
> > > >> tougher format. But, while tougher, it does not require perfection,
> > and
> > > it
> > > >> is passable. You will see the passing score reports begin this month
> I
> > > am
> > > >> willing to bet.
> > > >>
> > > >> :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> Warmest Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > > >> Senior CCIE Instructor
> > > >> http://www.INE.com
> > > >>
> > > >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Dark Fiber wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Whether it is 4 or 10 points it is still all or nothing for the
> > whole
> > > >> section. That seems a little intense...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Maybe it is just time to revisit the masters degree and forget
> about
> > > all
> > > >> this :). Having to be perfect for a certification just does not seem
> > > that
> > > >> time in equals what you get out of it...
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: "Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> > > >> > To: "Dark Fiber" <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
> > > >> > Cc: "Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota)" <
> > rodrigo.gutierrez_at_nsn.com
> > > >,
> > > >> "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "ron wilkerson" <
> > > >> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, "jose manzano" <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> > > >> > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 3:09:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> > Eastern
> > > >> > Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Be calm GS. The original post had a pretty big error. There are no
> > 10
> > > >> point tasks in the new lab!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It is true that what may have been several independent tasks
> before
> > > may
> > > >> be combined, but 4 points is the maximum someone should still expect
> > per
> > > >> task.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Warmest Regards,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > > >> > Senior CCIE Instructor
> > > >> > http://www.INE.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dark Fiber wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> If this is true I am not even going to bother to retake my lab...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> If you need to be perfect for the "whole" section that is
> absurd...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >> From: "Rodrigo Gutierrez (NSN - CO/Bogota)" <
> > > rodrigo.gutierrez_at_nsn.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> To: "ron wilkerson" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, "jose manzano" <
> > > >> josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> > > >> >> Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > >> >> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 2:25:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> > > Eastern
> > > >> >> Subject: RE: R&S v4.0 Points
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> If that's the way then it sucks !!!!!! That means the candidates
> > that
> > > >> go
> > > >> >> for the exam gotta to be almost perfect 2 dummy answers in any
> > giving
> > > >> >> section will make him fail the exam..
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > >> Of
> > > >> >> ext ron wilkerson
> > > >> >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:17 PM
> > > >> >> To: jose manzano
> > > >> >> Cc: Cisco certification
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: R&S v4.0 Points
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> if this is true, might explain why so few have been passing as of
> > > late.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, jose manzano <
> > josermanzano_at_gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> >> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> Ditto .... I've read more than one review that stated the same
> > ....
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> When you take into consideration how certain tasks/sections can
> > > >> >>> indirectly effect tasks in other sections.....you could be
> looking
> > > to
> > > >> >> fail
> > > >> >>> multiple sections just by missing a single task.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> The scoring sucks..... plain and simple
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Larry Hadrava <
> > > larryh12203_at_gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>> Joe:
> > > >> >>>> I have heard this from a couple of folks as well.
> > > >> >>>> --
> > > >> >>>> Thanks
> > > >> >>>> Larry Hadrava
> > > >> >>>> CCIE #12203
> > > >> >>>> Check Out MyBlog: http://ccie12203.wordpress.com/
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Joe Astorino
> > > >> >> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> > > >> >>>> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>>> I don't know if this has been confirmed by anybody, but I have
> a
> > > >> >>> student
> > > >> >>>>> this week that has taken the v4.0 lab exam and has told us
> that
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >>>>> sections
> > > >> >>>>> are no longer broken into sub-tasks with points. For
> instance,
> > in
> > > >> >> v3.0
> > > >> >>>> we
> > > >> >>>>> had for example:
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> BGP section 4 (10 points)
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> Task 4.1 (3 points)
> > > >> >>>>> Task 4.2 (3 points)
> > > >> >>>>> Task 4.3 (2 points)
> > > >> >>>>> Task 4.4 (2 points)
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> According to this individual, he was only give a general "BGP
> --
> > > >> >> 10
> > > >> >>>> points"
> > > >> >>>>> as an example. I thought that sounded pretty harsh -- You get
> > 10
> > > >> >> or
> > > >> >>>>> nothing? Can anybody confirm this?
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> --
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> > > >> >>>>>
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