Re: 21 days and no pass ..

Speaking of drama, cant wait to see the pub that is drummed up once the
first vendor produces the first 4.0 CCIE.

:)

Scott, is it safe to assume that you teach the bootcamps in chicago ?

I'm in the process now of trying to decide on a location for INE BOOTCAMP.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:

> It's been too entertaining to watch the drama unfold. And we HAVE
> posted at various times about it, but it was likely in one of the other
> myriad of threads with the same essential discussion, lamenting with
> woes of the world. :)
>
> It's the same discussions that I have seen off and on for over 10 years
> now, so it's nothing new.
>
> The reason people aren't passing is because they aren't as prepared as
> they should be for the newer topics. Also the method with which they
> were studying wasn't taking into account the format changes (in other
> words likely didn't listen, or take seriously what they were being
> told). And any time you're under pressure anyway when you encounter
> something unexpected or not-going-well, then things begin to unravel.
>
> And in the CCIE lab, you really don't have time for things to unravel.
>
> It's a process. It's about your process. It always has been. Although
> everyone (no matter whose students they are) seems to focus on the
> configurations. It's NOT a configuration exam. It's an exam that you
> happen to perform some configuration in.
>
> Once people start to listen (and truly hear) things like that, and
> adjust their mode of thinking, we'll see people passing. I have no
> doubt in that. I have four students in class this week who are taking
> the lab very shortly. So I'm trying real hard to drill in the concept
> of how to think things through so that we'll get some successful results!
>
> The hard part for a lot of people is understanding that failing the CCIE
> lab is not necessarily an indication of the candidates ineptitude. It
> merely means there was a process failure someplace and the cards all
> fell down from there. Analyze, regroup, recover. Or as the Marines
> would say, Adapt and Overcome.
>
> This is not a HARDER exam. This is merely a DIFFERENT exam. See it for
> what it is and deal with it.
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
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> Tom Solski wrote:
> > By no means I wanted to be rude. If anything a bit sarcastic. I
> apologize.
> >
> > I am just curious why major contributors to the list (Narbik, Scott and
> > others) do not comment the 30 day impasse...
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc La Porte [mailto:marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com]
> > Sent: 17-Nov-09 07:08
> > To: Tom Solski
> > Cc: Shaughn Smith; Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi; Nadeem Rafi; Johnny B
> > CCIE; Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > I assume you notice that Shaun passed the Service Provider exam, of
> > which there is no version 3. Maybe it is a good idea to be nice before
> > rude and have your facts clear.
> >
> > Thank you
> > Marc
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:01, Tom Solski <tom.solski_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Too bad I was not lucky like you: get the CCIE the easy way (v3) and
> count
> >> on others to keep the value up :)
> >> Seriously, no pass in 30 days is just ridiculous.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Shaughn Smith
> >> Sent: 17-Nov-09 02:21
> >> To: Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi; Nadeem Rafi
> >> Cc: Johnny B CCIE; Cisco certification
> >> Subject: RE: 21 days and no pass ..
> >>
> >> People passing is just a matter of time. And to Tharindu no they will
> >> not discontinue the R&S track. That's not even a thought. They have just
> >> made it harder to pass now, which to me is a good thing. Keeps the value
> >> of the cert up. I hope they start making similar changes to the other
> >> tracks.
> >>
> >> CCIE # 23962 (SP)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:34 AM
> >> To: Nadeem Rafi
> >> Cc: Johnny B CCIE; Cisco certification
> >> Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
> >>
> >> no need to worry ... that is the value of ccie.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Its sad but yes 30 days and no one passed....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi <
> >>> btharindu_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> will they discontinue R&S track ?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> Is anyone tracking if anyone is even going to take the RS lab?
> >>>>>
> >> Maybe
> >>
> >>>>> there are seats and no one is home?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <
> >>>>>
> >>>> alexeim73_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> And I am about to remove the one I passed along, the guy from
> >>>>>>
> >> China
> >>
> >>>>> passed
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> on Voice lab, not on RS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rick Mur wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No confirmed pass, there are rumors though....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rick Mur
> >>>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
> >>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
> >>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>> 21 days and no pass......
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