Re: 21 days and no pass ..

It's been too entertaining to watch the drama unfold. And we HAVE
posted at various times about it, but it was likely in one of the other
myriad of threads with the same essential discussion, lamenting with
woes of the world. :)

It's the same discussions that I have seen off and on for over 10 years
now, so it's nothing new.

The reason people aren't passing is because they aren't as prepared as
they should be for the newer topics. Also the method with which they
were studying wasn't taking into account the format changes (in other
words likely didn't listen, or take seriously what they were being
told). And any time you're under pressure anyway when you encounter
something unexpected or not-going-well, then things begin to unravel.

And in the CCIE lab, you really don't have time for things to unravel.

It's a process. It's about your process. It always has been. Although
everyone (no matter whose students they are) seems to focus on the
configurations. It's NOT a configuration exam. It's an exam that you
happen to perform some configuration in.

Once people start to listen (and truly hear) things like that, and
adjust their mode of thinking, we'll see people passing. I have no
doubt in that. I have four students in class this week who are taking
the lab very shortly. So I'm trying real hard to drill in the concept
of how to think things through so that we'll get some successful results!

The hard part for a lot of people is understanding that failing the CCIE
lab is not necessarily an indication of the candidates ineptitude. It
merely means there was a process failure someplace and the cards all
fell down from there. Analyze, regroup, recover. Or as the Marines
would say, Adapt and Overcome.

This is not a HARDER exam. This is merely a DIFFERENT exam. See it for
what it is and deal with it.

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Tom Solski wrote:
> By no means I wanted to be rude. If anything a bit sarcastic. I apologize.
>
> I am just curious why major contributors to the list (Narbik, Scott and
> others) do not comment the 30 day impasse...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc La Porte [mailto:marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: 17-Nov-09 07:08
> To: Tom Solski
> Cc: Shaughn Smith; Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi; Nadeem Rafi; Johnny B
> CCIE; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
>
> Tom,
>
> I assume you notice that Shaun passed the Service Provider exam, of
> which there is no version 3. Maybe it is a good idea to be nice before
> rude and have your facts clear.
>
> Thank you
> Marc
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:01, Tom Solski <tom.solski_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Too bad I was not lucky like you: get the CCIE the easy way (v3) and count
>> on others to keep the value up :)
>> Seriously, no pass in 30 days is just ridiculous.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Shaughn Smith
>> Sent: 17-Nov-09 02:21
>> To: Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi; Nadeem Rafi
>> Cc: Johnny B CCIE; Cisco certification
>> Subject: RE: 21 days and no pass ..
>>
>> People passing is just a matter of time. And to Tharindu no they will
>> not discontinue the R&S track. That's not even a thought. They have just
>> made it harder to pass now, which to me is a good thing. Keeps the value
>> of the cert up. I hope they start making similar changes to the other
>> tracks.
>>
>> CCIE # 23962 (SP)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:34 AM
>> To: Nadeem Rafi
>> Cc: Johnny B CCIE; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
>>
>> no need to worry ... that is the value of ccie.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Its sad but yes 30 days and no one passed....
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi <
>>> btharindu_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> will they discontinue R&S track ?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Is anyone tracking if anyone is even going to take the RS lab?
>>>>>
>> Maybe
>>
>>>>> there are seats and no one is home?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <
>>>>>
>>>> alexeim73_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And I am about to remove the one I passed along, the guy from
>>>>>>
>> China
>>
>>>>> passed
>>>>>
>>>>>> on Voice lab, not on RS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick Mur wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No confirmed pass, there are rumors though....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 21 days and no pass......
>>>>>>>>
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