Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

I actually enjoyed there conversation a bit, please do carry on!

No one forces anyone to open up a thread...

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> No worries Hank, give me a call when you finish the test, i would love
> to hear how you did. Give me a call when you can.
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:55 PM, <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can't wait!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
> > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:47:01
> > To: Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Subject: Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their
> > methods
> >
> > So as I was saying Narbik. great to hear from you, I'll let you know how
> my exam turns out!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >
> >> Why CCDE?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Hey Narbik man how you doing I'm doing good makin things happen
> attempting
> >>> ccde in a few weeks! Long time, your keeping yourself super busy too I
> see
> >>> :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Mr. Yeomans,
> >>>>
> >>>> How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
> >>>> the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just
> that
> >>>>> beer
> >>>>> is the universal drink word, i think.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers/salud.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says
> I'm
> >>>>>> not? ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's
> hard
> >>>>>> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no
> idea
> >>>>>> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to
> the
> >>>>>> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Scott
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
> >>>>>>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
> >>>>>>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
> >>>>>>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on
> the
> >>>>>>>> Twitter drama.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the
> point
> >>>>>>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can
> make
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your
> every
> >>>>>>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company.
> That
> >>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some
> stick
> >>>>>>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
> >>>>>>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
> >>>>>>>> "forever"???
> >>>>>>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and
> >>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
> >>>>>>>> random
> >>>>>>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
> >>>>>>>> demeanor and behavior online.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah,
> blah,
> >>>>>>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions"
> over
> >>>>>>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can
> still
> >>>>>>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or
> maturity
> >>>>>>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like
> that
> >>>>>>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any
> sense of
> >>>>>>>> proof.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just my two cents,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> >>>>>>>> #4713,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> evil_at_ine.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write
> >>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
> >>>>>>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
> >>>>>>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background
> work
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
> >>>>>>>>> legitimate
> >>>>>>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many
> things
> >>>>>>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces
> at
> >>>>>>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that
> gets
> >>>>>>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to
> >>>>>>>>> find
> >>>>>>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone
> on
> >>>>>>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone
> who
> >>>>>>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to
> the
> >>>>>>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
> >>>>>>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
> >>>>>>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on.
> On
> >>>>>>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
> >>>>>>>>> pointed
> >>>>>>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE
> that
> >>>>>>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
> >>>>>>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
> >>>>>>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
> >>>>>>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout
> that
> >>>>>>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their
> intelligence
> >>>>>>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the
> >>>>>>>>> CCIE
> >>>>>>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
> >>>>>>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because
> he
> >>>>>>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in
> and
> >>>>>>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a
> role
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize
> every
> >>>>>>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working
> through
> >>>>>>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
> >>>>>>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once
> said
> >>>>>>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because
> there is
> >>>>>>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I
> know
> >>>>>>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
> >>>>>>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution.
> The
> >>>>>>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact,
> after I
> >>>>>>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris
> don't
> >>>>>>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It
> isn't
> >>>>>>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE
> on
> >>>>>>>>> the first attempt either.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for
> people
> >>>>>>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
> >>>>>>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
> >>>>>>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to
> twitter
> >>>>>>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who
> was
> >>>>>>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling
> others
> >>>>>>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself.
> The
> >>>>>>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
> >>>>>>>>> While
> >>>>>>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this
> happened,
> >>>>>>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did
> he
> >>>>>>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
> >>>>>>>>> proctor.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one
> person,
> >>>>>>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not
> following
> >>>>>>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less
> problems.
> >>>>>>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
> >>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
> >>>>>>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR
> departments
> >>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want
> in
> >>>>>>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at
> Mcd's
> >>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> ever.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is
> exactly
> >>>>>>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow
> someone
> >>>>>>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
> >>>>>>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also
> public
> >>>>>>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked
> from
> >>>>>>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
> >>>>>>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me
> back
> >>>>>>>>> and see every word I say.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you
> drive
> >>>>>>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need
> to
> >>>>>>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such
> an
> >>>>>>>>> accomplishment.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best regards to all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
> >>>>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
> >>>>>>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
> >>>>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
> >>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Hank Yeomans
> >>>>> CCIE No. 21174
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> >>>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Narbik Kocharians
> >>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> >>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com
> >>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
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> >>> ---
> >>> Hank Yeomans
> >>> CCIE No. 21174
> >>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
> >>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Narbik Kocharians
> >> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> >> www.MicronicsTraining.com
> >> Sr. Technical Instructor
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> > ---
> > Hank Yeomans
> > CCIE No. 21174
> > Cell: (619) 889-5067
> > hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
> >
> >
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