Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Some ccies don't know what unicast means.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I actually enjoyed there conversation a bit, please do carry on!
>
> No one forces anyone to open up a thread...
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > No worries Hank, give me a call when you finish the test, i would love
> > to hear how you did. Give me a call when you can.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:55 PM, <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Can't wait!!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:47:01
> > > To: Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > > Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and
> their
> > > methods
> > >
> > > So as I was saying Narbik. great to hear from you, I'll let you know
> how
> > my exam turns out!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why CCDE?
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> Hey Narbik man how you doing I'm doing good makin things happen
> > attempting
> > >>> ccde in a few weeks! Long time, your keeping yourself super busy too
> I
> > see
> > >>> :)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Mr. Yeomans,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
> > >>>> the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just
> > that
> > >>>>> beer
> > >>>>> is the universal drink word, i think.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> cheers/salud.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who
> says
> > I'm
> > >>>>>> not? ;)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay!
> It's
> > hard
> > >>>>>> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no
> > idea
> > >>>>>> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to
> > the
> > >>>>>> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one!
> heheheheh.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Scott
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
> > >>>>>>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a
> Saturday
> > >>>>>>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE
> exam
> > >>>>>>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever
> on
> > the
> > >>>>>>>> Twitter drama.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the
> > point
> > >>>>>>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can
> > make
> > >>>>>>>> or
> > >>>>>>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your
> > every
> > >>>>>>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company.
> > That
> > >>>>>>>> one
> > >>>>>>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some
> > stick
> > >>>>>>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
> > >>>>>>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
> > >>>>>>>> "forever"???
> > >>>>>>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person
> and
> > >>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>>>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
> > >>>>>>>> random
> > >>>>>>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their
> own
> > >>>>>>>> demeanor and behavior online.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah,
> > blah,
> > >>>>>>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions"
> > over
> > >>>>>>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can
> > still
> > >>>>>>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or
> > maturity
> > >>>>>>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like
> > that
> > >>>>>>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any
> > sense of
> > >>>>>>>> proof.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Just my two cents,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider)
> > >>>>>>>> #4713,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> evil_at_ine.com
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to
> write
> > >>>>>>>>> about
> > >>>>>>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
> > >>>>>>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
> > >>>>>>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background
> > work
> > >>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
> > >>>>>>>>> legitimate
> > >>>>>>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many
> > things
> > >>>>>>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also
> forces
> > at
> > >>>>>>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that
> > gets
> > >>>>>>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only
> to
> > >>>>>>>>> find
> > >>>>>>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have
> gone
> > on
> > >>>>>>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and
> anyone
> > who
> > >>>>>>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to
> > the
> > >>>>>>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the
> basic
> > >>>>>>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures
> through
> > >>>>>>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on.
> > On
> > >>>>>>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
> > >>>>>>>>> pointed
> > >>>>>>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE
> > that
> > >>>>>>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for
> both
> > >>>>>>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who
> I
> > >>>>>>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
> > >>>>>>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout
> > that
> > >>>>>>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their
> > intelligence
> > >>>>>>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken
> the
> > >>>>>>>>> CCIE
> > >>>>>>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
> > >>>>>>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because
> > he
> > >>>>>>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in
> > and
> > >>>>>>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a
> > role
> > >>>>>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize
> > every
> > >>>>>>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working
> > through
> > >>>>>>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people
> who
> > >>>>>>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik)
> once
> > said
> > >>>>>>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because
> > there is
> > >>>>>>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I
> > know
> > >>>>>>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
> > >>>>>>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution.
> > The
> > >>>>>>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact,
> > after I
> > >>>>>>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris
> > don't
> > >>>>>>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It
> > isn't
> > >>>>>>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their
> CCIE
> > on
> > >>>>>>>>> the first attempt either.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for
> > people
> > >>>>>>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
> > >>>>>>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves,
> put
> > >>>>>>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to
> > twitter
> > >>>>>>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person
> who
> > was
> > >>>>>>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling
> > others
> > >>>>>>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself.
> > The
> > >>>>>>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
> > >>>>>>>>> While
> > >>>>>>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this
> > happened,
> > >>>>>>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused,
> did
> > he
> > >>>>>>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
> > >>>>>>>>> proctor.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one
> > person,
> > >>>>>>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not
> > following
> > >>>>>>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less
> > problems.
> > >>>>>>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
> > >>>>>>>>> someone
> > >>>>>>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
> > >>>>>>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR
> > departments
> > >>>>>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they
> want
> > in
> > >>>>>>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at
> > Mcd's
> > >>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> ever.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is
> > exactly
> > >>>>>>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow
> > someone
> > >>>>>>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of
> the
> > >>>>>>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also
> > public
> > >>>>>>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked
> > from
> > >>>>>>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
> > >>>>>>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me
> > back
> > >>>>>>>>> and see every word I say.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you
> > drive
> > >>>>>>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you
> need
> > to
> > >>>>>>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of
> such
> > an
> > >>>>>>>>> accomplishment.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Best regards to all,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> ---
> > >>>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
> > >>>>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
> > >>>>>>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
> > >>>>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ---
> > >>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
> > >>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
> > >>>>>>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
> > >>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ---
> > >>>>> Hank Yeomans
> > >>>>> CCIE No. 21174
> > >>>>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
> > >>>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>>>
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Narbik Kocharians
> > >>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > >>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
> > >>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
> > >>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > >>>> Training And Remote Racks available
> > >>>
> > >>> ---
> > >>> Hank Yeomans
> > >>> CCIE No. 21174
> > >>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
> > >>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Narbik Kocharians
> > >> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > >> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
> > >> Sr. Technical Instructor
> > >> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > >> Training And Remote Racks available
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Hank Yeomans
> > > CCIE No. 21174
> > > Cell: (619) 889-5067
> > > hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Narbik Kocharians
> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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