Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Can't wait!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:47:01
To: Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their
  methods

So as I was saying Narbik. great to hear from you, I'll let you know how my exam turns out!

On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:

> Why CCDE?
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
>> Hey Narbik man how you doing I'm doing good makin things happen attempting
>> ccde in a few weeks! Long time, your keeping yourself super busy too I see
>> :)
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Yeomans,
>>>
>>> How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
>>> the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just that
>>>> beer
>>>> is the universal drink word, i think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cheers/salud.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says I'm
>>>>> not? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's hard
>>>>> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no idea
>>>>> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to the
>>>>> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
>>>>>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
>>>>>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
>>>>>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
>>>>>>> Twitter drama.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the point
>>>>>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
>>>>>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
>>>>>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
>>>>>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
>>>>>>> "forever"???
>>>>>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
>>>>>>> random
>>>>>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
>>>>>>> demeanor and behavior online.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
>>>>>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
>>>>>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can still
>>>>>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
>>>>>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
>>>>>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense of
>>>>>>> proof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my two cents,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>>>>>> #4713,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>>>>>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>>>>>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
>>>>>>>> legitimate
>>>>>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
>>>>>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
>>>>>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
>>>>>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
>>>>>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone who
>>>>>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
>>>>>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>>>>>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>>>>>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
>>>>>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
>>>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
>>>>>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>>>>>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>>>>>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>>>>>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
>>>>>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their intelligence
>>>>>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the
>>>>>>>> CCIE
>>>>>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>>>>>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
>>>>>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
>>>>>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
>>>>>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working through
>>>>>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>>>>>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once said
>>>>>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there is
>>>>>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
>>>>>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>>>>>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
>>>>>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after I
>>>>>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
>>>>>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It isn't
>>>>>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
>>>>>>>> the first attempt either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
>>>>>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>>>>>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>>>>>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
>>>>>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
>>>>>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling others
>>>>>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
>>>>>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
>>>>>>>> While
>>>>>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
>>>>>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
>>>>>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
>>>>>>>> proctor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
>>>>>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not following
>>>>>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less problems.
>>>>>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>>>>>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
>>>>>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is exactly
>>>>>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow someone
>>>>>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>>>>>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also public
>>>>>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
>>>>>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>>>>>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
>>>>>>>> and see every word I say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
>>>>>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
>>>>>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
>>>>>>>> accomplishment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards to all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
>>>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
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>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
>>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
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>>> --
>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com
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>> ---
>> Hank Yeomans
>> CCIE No. 21174
>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
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> Narbik Kocharians
> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> www.MicronicsTraining.com
> Sr. Technical Instructor
> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> Training And Remote Racks available

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CCIE No. 21174
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