Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Thanks!
Don't want to read personal emails on a public list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:41:39
To: <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their methods

Sure, I'll do that solely at your request.

On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:29 PM, ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com wrote:

> ....you guys need to take this conversation offline.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:19:08
> To: Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their
> methods
>
> There aren't a lot of people who have it, which translates into future marketability when it is more understood and requested. Especially if they maybe make it a requirement for Cisco Partners and such to have one. I thought I heard some whisper of some rumor of that. I believe i am good at design and will enjoy the duality of a CCIE and a CCDE.
>
> There is only uhhhh 50 or so now?
>
> Man we gotta go have dinner you let me know or worse case ill see you at Networkers if things are just too busy
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>
>> Why CCDE?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Narbik man how you doing I'm doing good makin things happen attempting
>>> ccde in a few weeks! Long time, your keeping yourself super busy too I see
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr. Yeomans,
>>>>
>>>> How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
>>>> the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just that
>>>>> beer
>>>>> is the universal drink word, i think.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers/salud.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says I'm
>>>>>> not? ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's hard
>>>>>> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no idea
>>>>>> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to the
>>>>>> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
>>>>>>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
>>>>>>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
>>>>>>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
>>>>>>>> Twitter drama.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the point
>>>>>>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
>>>>>>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
>>>>>>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
>>>>>>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
>>>>>>>> "forever"???
>>>>>>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
>>>>>>>> random
>>>>>>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
>>>>>>>> demeanor and behavior online.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
>>>>>>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
>>>>>>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can still
>>>>>>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
>>>>>>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
>>>>>>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense of
>>>>>>>> proof.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my two cents,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>>>>>>> #4713,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>>>>>>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>>>>>>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
>>>>>>>>> legitimate
>>>>>>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
>>>>>>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
>>>>>>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
>>>>>>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to
>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
>>>>>>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone who
>>>>>>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
>>>>>>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>>>>>>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>>>>>>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
>>>>>>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
>>>>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
>>>>>>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>>>>>>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>>>>>>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>>>>>>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
>>>>>>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their intelligence
>>>>>>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the
>>>>>>>>> CCIE
>>>>>>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>>>>>>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
>>>>>>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
>>>>>>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
>>>>>>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working through
>>>>>>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>>>>>>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once said
>>>>>>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there is
>>>>>>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
>>>>>>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>>>>>>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
>>>>>>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after I
>>>>>>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
>>>>>>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It isn't
>>>>>>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
>>>>>>>>> the first attempt either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
>>>>>>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>>>>>>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>>>>>>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
>>>>>>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
>>>>>>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling others
>>>>>>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
>>>>>>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
>>>>>>>>> While
>>>>>>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
>>>>>>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
>>>>>>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
>>>>>>>>> proctor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
>>>>>>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not following
>>>>>>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less problems.
>>>>>>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>>>>>>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
>>>>>>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is exactly
>>>>>>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow someone
>>>>>>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>>>>>>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also public
>>>>>>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
>>>>>>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>>>>>>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
>>>>>>>>> and see every word I say.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
>>>>>>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
>>>>>>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
>>>>>>>>> accomplishment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards to all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>>>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
>>>>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>>>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
>>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com
>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
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>>>
>>> ---
>>> Hank Yeomans
>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Narbik Kocharians
>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> www.MicronicsTraining.com
>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>> Training And Remote Racks available
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> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
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