Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Hey Narbik man how you doing I'm doing good makin things happen
attempting ccde in a few weeks! Long time, your keeping yourself
super busy too I see :)

On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:

> Mr. Yeomans,
>
> How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
> the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.
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> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
> wrote:
>> haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just
>> that beer
>> is the universal drink word, i think.
>>
>>
>> cheers/salud.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>
>>> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who
>>> says I'm
>>> not? ;)
>>>
>>> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay!
>>> It's hard
>>> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no
>>> idea
>>> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to
>>> the
>>> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
>>>>
>>>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
>>>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
>>>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
>>>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever
>>>>> on the
>>>>> Twitter drama.
>>>>>
>>>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the
>>>>> point
>>>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can
>>>>> make or
>>>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your
>>>>> every
>>>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company.
>>>>> That one
>>>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some
>>>>> stick
>>>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
>>>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
>>>>> "forever"???
>>>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person
>>>>> and their
>>>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
>>>>> random
>>>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
>>>>> demeanor and behavior online.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah,
>>>>> blah,
>>>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions"
>>>>> over
>>>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can
>>>>> still
>>>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or
>>>>> maturity
>>>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like
>>>>> that
>>>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any
>>>>> sense of
>>>>> proof.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my two cents,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>>>>> Provider) #4713,
>>>>>
>>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>
>>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>
>>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>>
>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>
>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to
>>>>>> write about
>>>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>>>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>>>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background
>>>>>> work and
>>>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
>>>>>> legitimate
>>>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also
>>>>>> forces at
>>>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that
>>>>>> gets
>>>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only
>>>>>> to find
>>>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have
>>>>>> gone on
>>>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and
>>>>>> anyone who
>>>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>>>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>>>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so
>>>>>> on. On
>>>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>>>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>>>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>>>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their
>>>>>> intelligence
>>>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken
>>>>>> the CCIE
>>>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>>>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a
>>>>>> role in
>>>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>>>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik)
>>>>>> once said
>>>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because
>>>>>> there is
>>>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>>>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the
>>>>>> solution. The
>>>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact,
>>>>>> after I
>>>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It
>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their
>>>>>> CCIE on
>>>>>> the first attempt either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>>>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>>>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to
>>>>>> twitter
>>>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person
>>>>>> who was
>>>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE
>>>>>> himself. The
>>>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE
>>>>>> exam. While
>>>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this
>>>>>> happened,
>>>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused,
>>>>>> did he
>>>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
>>>>>> proctor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one
>>>>>> person,
>>>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not
>>>>>> following
>>>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>>>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR
>>>>>> departments are
>>>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they
>>>>>> want in
>>>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at
>>>>>> Mcd's for
>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is
>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>>>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also
>>>>>> public
>>>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>>>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> and see every word I say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you
>>>>>> drive
>>>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you
>>>>>> need to
>>>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of
>>>>>> such an
>>>>>> accomplishment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards to all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
>>>>>>
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