Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Why CCDE?

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
> Hey Narbik man how you doing I'm doing good makin things happen attempting
> ccde in a few weeks! Long time, your keeping yourself super busy too I see
> :)
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>
>> Mr. Yeomans,
>>
>> How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
>> the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.
>>
>>
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>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just that
>>> beer
>>> is the universal drink word, i think.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers/salud.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>
>>>> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says I'm
>>>> not? ;)
>>>>
>>>> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's hard
>>>> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no idea
>>>> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to the
>>>> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
>>>>>
>>>>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
>>>>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
>>>>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
>>>>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
>>>>>> Twitter drama.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the point
>>>>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
>>>>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
>>>>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
>>>>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
>>>>>> "forever"???
>>>>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
>>>>>> random
>>>>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
>>>>>> demeanor and behavior online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
>>>>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
>>>>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can still
>>>>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
>>>>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
>>>>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense of
>>>>>> proof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my two cents,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>>>>> #4713,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>>>>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>>>>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
>>>>>>> legitimate
>>>>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
>>>>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
>>>>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
>>>>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
>>>>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone who
>>>>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
>>>>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>>>>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>>>>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
>>>>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
>>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
>>>>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>>>>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>>>>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>>>>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
>>>>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their intelligence
>>>>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the
>>>>>>> CCIE
>>>>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>>>>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
>>>>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
>>>>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
>>>>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working through
>>>>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>>>>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once said
>>>>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there is
>>>>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
>>>>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>>>>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
>>>>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after I
>>>>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
>>>>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It isn't
>>>>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
>>>>>>> the first attempt either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
>>>>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>>>>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>>>>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
>>>>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
>>>>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling others
>>>>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
>>>>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
>>>>>>> While
>>>>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
>>>>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
>>>>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
>>>>>>> proctor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
>>>>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not following
>>>>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less problems.
>>>>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>>>>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
>>>>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is exactly
>>>>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow someone
>>>>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>>>>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also public
>>>>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
>>>>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>>>>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
>>>>>>> and see every word I say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
>>>>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
>>>>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
>>>>>>> accomplishment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards to all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
>>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
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>> Narbik Kocharians
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> Hank Yeomans
> CCIE No. 21174
> Cell: (619) 889-5067
> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
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