Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped

I run through commands in my head constantly. Most people dream about normal
things like fluffy kittens and ponies, I dream about spanning-tree
convergences and EIGRP <--> OSPF redistribution.

I also make sure to read the books that are recommended. I found out the
hard way that if I don't, I miss something important that was right in the
text but no where else. I believe in over reading and over studying. If I
don't study 10% of a subject, enough questions will come from that subject
to cause me to fail. Your comments caused me to download a copy of the
blueprint and look over it. There is still a lot of stuff I don't know well.
I now have 69 days to study and learn these topics.

I picked my lab date based on my study habits and behavior. If I set the
date 9 months out like Evan, I still wouldn't really study until 4-5 months
out. I would read through books and slowly work towards the goal, but I know
I would not be as far along as I am now. I am a machine once I begin
studying for an exam. I get up at 4-4:30am everyday to give myself time
before my family wakes up and I have to go to work. I keep 1 of the 4 books
I am reading through on my shelf at work so while I am on hold or not busy I
can read. My homepage is the Cisco product support. I write out commands on
a whiteboard while on conference calls. I spout random stuff to co-workers
who will listen because it reinforces the information.

Needless to say I have a lot of strange things I do. They work for me and
they cut down length of my study time.

Remember the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

Justin

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I am sorry for the late reply, i am still waiting to get a flight back
> home.
>
> But mate you are ready when you can look at the blueprint and answer all of
> your questions.
> I am a very conservative person, I WILL NOT take the lab unless i can
> answer all of my questions, for example, look at LDP and L3VPNs, can you
> close your eyes and see the commands? Can you do a "?" in your head and see
> all the options? Do you know what they are?
> I DO NOT MEAN MEMORIZE, please do not get me wrong, you should NEVER
> memorize, the only reason you will see the commands and their options is
> because you have configured them so many times its NOT funny. You should run
> IOS in your head instead of what ever it is that you are running. As long as
> its NOT the 12.4(15)T11 on 3725s (JK).
>
> But do you guys see what i am saying? Go through the entire blueprint and
> write down your weak areas, and hammer them out one by one, face them head
> on.
> Sometimes to satisfy our conscience, we go out there and purchase every
> bloody book we can get our hands on, and i bet there are lot of us that do
> that. But have we read all of them? I bet NOT even 15 percent of them.
> When we read a hard or a complex documentation, we normally bypass the
> areas that we do not understand, because we feel that if we don't understand
> them ITS PROBABLY NOT IMPORTANT, this is the philosophy that costs us few
> retries.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Evan Weston <evan_weston_at_hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm a fan of booking a date a long way out and sticking to it, it will
>> make
>> you work as hard as you need to. Just keep addressing weaknesses as they
>> arise and hopefully you will peak on the week of the exam.
>>
>> I booked my lab date 9 months ahead. Cancelled my social life, booked
>> Narbik's bootcamp for 4 months out and just went for it. Also do what the
>> trainers say, for example if Narbik says to get the most out of his
>> workbooks "go through them at least twice and once along side with the
>> DocCD" then make a schedule and get it done. No point paying for books if
>> you don't use them the way the author says to. Same for INE mock labs, aim
>> to do them in the time limit, take the same amount of time as the real
>> lab,
>> treat them seriously and don't be soft on marking yourself.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Pach
>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2009 10:18 AM
>> To: 'Justin Mitchell'; pocjamin_at_gmail.com
>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>>
>> Those 70 days are going to come up on your fast. 'Specially with the
>> holidays coming up.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Justin Mitchell
>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:06 PM
>> To: pocjamin_at_gmail.com
>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>>
>> I've got 70 days: January 12, 2010 in San Jose.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, BPoch <pocjamin_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > When are you taking your exam?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Justin Mitchell
>> > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:23 PM
>> > To: Narbik Kocharians
>> > Cc: Nathan Richie; larryh_at_ine.com; redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com;
>> > ttuner_at_gmail.com; jbccie_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>> >
>> > Feeling 100% ready is a tricky thing. If I waited to feel 100% ready to
>> > take
>> > the exam I doubt I would ever register and then would have second
>> thoughts
>> > when I finally did register.
>> >
>> > Everything I have heard from the CCIEs I work with is it is as much a
>> > mental
>> > thing as anything else. To me it is just another test, albeit an
>> expensive
>> > one with an airplane ride and some delicious food in San Jose.
>> >
>> > Justin "ready to fail the exam" Mitchell
>> > =)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Nathan,
>> > > Only you know if you are ready, if you are shoot, if you are NOT, ONLY
>> > > register for the test when you are 100 percent ready.
>> > >
>> > > my 2 cents.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Nathan Richie <nathanr_at_boice.net>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Finalizing my study plans now and then will reschedule based upon
>> that.
>> > > I
>> > > > do not want to lose any momentum....
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for your encouragement!
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Larry Hadrava [mailto:larryh_at_ine.com]
>> > > > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:54 PM
>> > > > To: Nathan Richie; redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com; ttuner_at_gmail.com
>> > > > Cc: jbccie_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>> > > >
>> > > > Nathan:
>> > > > When are you going back? I'm betting on YOU!!!!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Larry Hadrava, Larryh_at_INE.com
>> > > >
>> > > > CCIE #12203 (R&S)
>> > > >
>> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "Nathan Richie" <nathanr_at_boice.net>
>> > > > Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 14:37
>> > > > Subject:RE: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>> > > >
>> > > > I ain't scared! :) I am prepping for my retake of V4 and plan on it
>> > > being
>> > > > my last
>> > > > because I pass it!
>> > > >
>> > > > Jonny - I think it is going to take more than just the vendors
>> adding
>> > > > troubleshooting. In fact, I felt the troubleshooting was not bad at
>> > all.
>> > > > I missed
>> > > > it because of a weak area, but otherwise felt it was very doable.
>> > > >
>> > > > I think that Cisco is going to have to back off the configuration
>> some
>> > > and
>> > > > that we,
>> > > > the v4 candidates, are going to have to be rock solid in our
>> > > configuration
>> > > > ability
>> > > > with little to no help from the Doc CD lifeline. At some point, the
>> 2
>> > > > shall come
>> > > > together and we will see a v4 CCIE! Just my opinion though.
>> > > >
>> > > > Any gamblers on here? Anybody want to bet on when we will see the
>> > first
>> > > > v4 CCIE?
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > >
>> > > > Nathan Richie
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> > Of
>> > > > Jonny English
>> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:34 PM
>> > > > To: JR Garcia
>> > > > Cc: Johnny B CCIE; groupstudy
>> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>> > > >
>> > > > everyone should still remember the lab is still new.
>> > > >
>> > > > Chris -- sorry to hear you didn't pass the lab. At least you are
>> > changing
>> > > > focus and going to abapt your study for the new format. Try to stay
>> as
>> > > > positive as you can and think about what you can do to beat this
>> thing
>> > > next
>> > > > time.
>> > > >
>> > > > I think once the training vendors come out with labs or people start
>> > > > changing the study stucture to include troubleshooting we will start
>> to
>> > > see
>> > > > people passing.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM, JR Garcia <ttuner_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > yeah i sure as hell wont take it until i start seeing some success
>> > > > stories.
>> > > > > i think it will just take a while for everyone (including training
>> > > > vendors)
>> > > > > to shift their focus.
>> > > > >
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