Re: CCIE R and S ver 4

i donno. maybe cisco will think, why are these people sitting the lab when
they already passed. ;)

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Why? We shouldn't be training people TO the exact exam anyway. I
> like you guys and all, but I'm not losing my CCIE due to any NDA
> problems. ;)
>
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> Jonny English wrote:
> > don't you think this will cause alarm bells in cisco's eyes? a vendor
> > sitting the exam
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> you take the name of vendors and every one is here to sell out...this
> time
> >> we ask to appear... lets see who gotta balls :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I have been saying that.. Scott is ready.. who else?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Agreed... if vendors can not pass then who their products can do the
> >>>>> "Magic".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> Nadeem,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You have a point. Each vendor should send their best man to the lab
> >>>>>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>>>> prove that their product is adequate to help people study for and
> >>>>>>
> >> pass
> >>
> >>>>>> the new exam. If this no-pass continues they will either have to do
> >>>>>> this or start their going out of business sale.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>> if some one gota balls he should re-appear instead of making huge
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> claims
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Who is going to attempt V4, having already numbers...
> >>>>>>> Some one show courage :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joe Astorino <
> >>>>>>>
> >> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> >>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Guys if you think it is impossible and quit they have successfully
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> weeded
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> you out. Many have said they failed but it was passable if you
> >>>>>>>>
> >> know
> >>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> bp.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My 2 cents
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> >>>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> >>>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
> >>>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> >>>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: jose manzano <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:32:17
> >>>>>>>> To: groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: CCIE R and S ver 4
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There would be a study factor if it would be possible to pass the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> exam ,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> I have yet to read of anyone passing the new v4 lab.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cisco will modify the v4 lab if in the end they have put
> >>>>>>>>
> >> together
> >>
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> lab
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> exam with unrealistic & unachievable expectations.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I for one though do not like the route it's going as it's
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> starting to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> feel like all this time i've invested, and continue to invest
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> preparing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> this one exam is in vane as it's nearly impossible to achieve now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Then again we are only a few weeks into the new exam, so lets see
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> how
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> plays out in the next few months i guess.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Atlanta CCIE <
> >>>>>>>>
> >> atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
> >>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheaters don't care about that lol
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 11/2/09, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> what about study factor?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> luck factor or F**K factor is prime issue of V4.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Jack <
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> ccie.unnumbered_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In consulting business, we keep asking the client what they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> want
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> until
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> case is clear before we give advice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some people mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> vague.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> doubt
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Howard at RTP is that helpful in explaining the tickets,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> based on
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> my
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> two
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> experience in V3. Last time when I was there, Howard left
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> early.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> His
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> replacement/substitute was younger and much more polite,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> humble,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> modest,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> most of all, helpful. Thanks to the young gentleman, I was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> able
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> clear
> >>>>>>>>>>>> one sentence in a configuration question, and one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> requirement
> >>
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> said in the entire question set. Maybe it was mentioned in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> preface,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was too sick that day to search any statements outside
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> questions.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Howard could have answered, "this is basic knowledge
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> (common
> >>
> >>>>>>>> sense)"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "follow what the requirement says".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> specific
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> time and luck to pin down. Time and luck are the focus of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> V4, in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> my
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> humble
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> opinion based on the feedbacks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Terry Vinson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The old exam was centered around configuration, the new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> test
> >>
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> centered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> more around consulting.
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