Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped

Not the bp but the format :) looks more like the 2day format :)

On 10/31/09, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> I'll bite. Totally untrue and insulting to ,anybody that passed v3.0. Just
> because you are not an expert does not mean that people deemed experts
> before are magically no longer experts because the bp changed.
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:51:17
> To: Atlanta CCIE<atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Copley<copley.chris_at_gmail.com>; Roy
> Waterman<roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco
> certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
>
> More constructive and extremely techinical posts from the troll.
>
> Sent from handheld.
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:16 PM, "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Chris - Great Review and sorry to hear you didnt pass. Results are
>> not in
>> yet so dont give up.
>>
>> Looks like soon we will have to look at CCIE#s AFTER Oct 18th 2009
>> to gauge
>> the candidate's skills :) No more free rides (for now). I can
>> already see
>> how folks got free CCIE#s between Feb-Oct18th 2009 (Yeah bitch all you
>> want).
>>
>> Chris - dont give up and hit back in 30 days.
>>
>> As for OEQs, I agree and have been saying that.
>>
>> Let the hate begin :D
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Christopher Copley
>> <copley.chris_at_gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Roy,
>>>
>>> The SP track was actually some thing I was looking to do any
>>> way. Being
>>> that I am < 24 hours after my lab it might just be emotion
>>> speaking. I
>>> still want to go back and beat the R&S exam. I have put to much
>>> time and
>>> dedication in it to quit now! I will get it, i am just not sure
>>> of the
>>> path I will take to get there now.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Roy Waterman
>>> <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your feedback & shame you didnt pass this time.
>>>> Am just wondering, you mentioned you would be pursuing the SP track.
>>>> Knowing what it will take to pass the lab, can I ask why you just
>>>> dont
>>>> carry on, & prepare to pass it?
>>>> After all, if you restart in 6-9 months, it may well take you
>>>> longer to
>>> get
>>>> back up to the stage that you are now?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Roy
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/31 Christopher Copley <copley.chris_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just got back from the lab yesterday and I have to say the above
>>>>> comments
>>>>> in this post are right on 100%. IMHO there are no more so
>>>>> called core
>>>>> and
>>>>> non-core tasks! You have to now go into the lab with a nearly
>>>>> perfect
>>>>> knowledge of EVERY THING on the blue print. In my past studies I
>>> focused
>>>>> very hard on L2, L3 & some of the smaller topics like services
>>>>> (i.e.
>>> ntp,
>>>>> drp, netflow, etc) I knew well, but knew where they were in the
>>>>> DocCD.
>>>>> ***YOU CAN NOT DO THIS NOW!!!!****. With out breaking NDA,
>>>>> lets say
>>> you
>>>>> have a question in trouble shooting on what in the past was a Non-
>>>>> Core
>>>>> topic. You DO NOT have time to go to the DocCD. You have to be
>>>>> able to
>>>>> spit out any solution both Core and Non-Core and any tweek on it
>>>>> with
>>> out
>>>>> looking at the DocCD.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have worked on my company's IT Emergency Response Team for a
>>>>> number of
>>>>> years now, and I have to say the way the new Trouble shooting
>>>>> section is
>>>>> designed made me feel like I was in a ERT swarm session. The
>>>>> time limit
>>>>> and
>>>>> the clock counting down adds a TON of pressure!!! The only thing
>>>>> that
>>> was
>>>>> missing was a VP, and CIO standing over my shoulder with a upset
>>>>> look on
>>>>> their face!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I will agree with what everything people are saying about the
>>>>> Trouble
>>>>> shooting Section. The question are VERY vague, but in my
>>>>> experience
>>> this
>>>>> is
>>>>> the type of trouble tickets I get at work. Typically I get
>>>>> tickets from
>>>>> my
>>>>> NOC that say network node "X" is unreachable, and that is ALL
>>>>> that is in
>>>>> the
>>>>> ticket. I think the CCIE team must have asked customers for
>>>>> copies of
>>>>> there
>>>>> NOC tickets and emulated them in the exam. This new Trouble
>>>>> Shooting
>>>>> section really raises the bar and the focus on the CCIE exam.
>>>>> This is
>>> not
>>>>> my first attempt at the lab, and I will say it is totally
>>>>> different that
>>>>> the
>>>>> V3 lab.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel we all have to shift the way we study in order to pass the
>>>>> new
>>>>> exam.
>>>>> I would not say memorize the Non-core tasks but learn them just
>>>>> as well
>>> as
>>>>> core tasks. Focus on the Blue Print VERY VERY hard. If it is
>>>>> on the
>>>>> Blue
>>>>> Print know it 125% If you see it on the Blue print you have to
>>>>> be able
>>> to
>>>>> spit out every thing on the subject with out the DocCD for any
>>>>> help!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> OEQ - Same old stuff, nothing new here. But I feel with the new
>>>>> Trouble
>>>>> shooting section it is now pointless and a waist of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Config section - Just like every one has said, there are less
>>>>> sections,
>>>>> but
>>>>> more tasks in each section. So basically the same old lab in a
>>>>> 5.5 hour
>>>>> session. No time for the DocCD if you need help. You have to be
>>>>> in a
>>>>> rush
>>>>> the whole lab. I really recommend that everyone goes any buys a
>>>>> stop
>>>>> watch
>>>>> and start timing your config sections and find ways to shorten
>>>>> your time
>>>>> on
>>>>> every study section.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My results - I dont have the official results yet, but I already
>>>>> know I
>>>>> failed. I was not able to get enough trouble tickets done by the
>>>>> time
>>>>> limit. I did the math and knew I did not reach the ~80% to pass.
>>> When
>>>>> the clock hit and I knew I did not pass the TS it took me nearly
>>>>> 30 min
>>> to
>>>>> pick my self up and continue on with the config section. Knowing
>>>>> that
>>> the
>>>>> rest of my day was basically a waist of my time, I found it VERY
>>>>> hard to
>>>>> bring myself to go through the pain of the rest of the lab, when
>>>>> I knew
>>> it
>>>>> was in vain.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am going to go back to study and shift my focus, and try again in
>>> maybe
>>>>> 6
>>>>> or 9 months. Service Provider here I come!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps everyone out there, and good luck!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Roy
>>>
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