Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped

Cisco must make some adjustments on new exam format otherwise it is totally
waste of time to try :)

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Not the bp but the format :) looks more like the 2day format :)
>
> On 10/31/09, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > I'll bite. Totally untrue and insulting to ,anybody that passed v3.0.
> Just
> > because you are not an expert does not mean that people deemed experts
> > before are magically no longer experts because the bp changed.
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> > Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
> > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:51:17
> > To: Atlanta CCIE<atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
> > Cc: Christopher Copley<copley.chris_at_gmail.com>; Roy
> > Waterman<roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco
> > certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> >
> > More constructive and extremely techinical posts from the troll.
> >
> > Sent from handheld.
> >
> > On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:16 PM, "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Chris - Great Review and sorry to hear you didnt pass. Results are
> >> not in
> >> yet so dont give up.
> >>
> >> Looks like soon we will have to look at CCIE#s AFTER Oct 18th 2009
> >> to gauge
> >> the candidate's skills :) No more free rides (for now). I can
> >> already see
> >> how folks got free CCIE#s between Feb-Oct18th 2009 (Yeah bitch all you
> >> want).
> >>
> >> Chris - dont give up and hit back in 30 days.
> >>
> >> As for OEQs, I agree and have been saying that.
> >>
> >> Let the hate begin :D
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Christopher Copley
> >> <copley.chris_at_gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Roy,
> >>>
> >>> The SP track was actually some thing I was looking to do any
> >>> way. Being
> >>> that I am < 24 hours after my lab it might just be emotion
> >>> speaking. I
> >>> still want to go back and beat the R&S exam. I have put to much
> >>> time and
> >>> dedication in it to quit now! I will get it, i am just not sure
> >>> of the
> >>> path I will take to get there now.
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Roy Waterman
> >>> <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Chris
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your feedback & shame you didnt pass this time.
> >>>> Am just wondering, you mentioned you would be pursuing the SP track.
> >>>> Knowing what it will take to pass the lab, can I ask why you just
> >>>> dont
> >>>> carry on, & prepare to pass it?
> >>>> After all, if you restart in 6-9 months, it may well take you
> >>>> longer to
> >>> get
> >>>> back up to the stage that you are now?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Roy
> >>>>
> >>>> 2009/10/31 Christopher Copley <copley.chris_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just got back from the lab yesterday and I have to say the above
> >>>>> comments
> >>>>> in this post are right on 100%. IMHO there are no more so
> >>>>> called core
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> non-core tasks! You have to now go into the lab with a nearly
> >>>>> perfect
> >>>>> knowledge of EVERY THING on the blue print. In my past studies I
> >>> focused
> >>>>> very hard on L2, L3 & some of the smaller topics like services
> >>>>> (i.e.
> >>> ntp,
> >>>>> drp, netflow, etc) I knew well, but knew where they were in the
> >>>>> DocCD.
> >>>>> ***YOU CAN NOT DO THIS NOW!!!!****. With out breaking NDA,
> >>>>> lets say
> >>> you
> >>>>> have a question in trouble shooting on what in the past was a Non-
> >>>>> Core
> >>>>> topic. You DO NOT have time to go to the DocCD. You have to be
> >>>>> able to
> >>>>> spit out any solution both Core and Non-Core and any tweek on it
> >>>>> with
> >>> out
> >>>>> looking at the DocCD.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have worked on my company's IT Emergency Response Team for a
> >>>>> number of
> >>>>> years now, and I have to say the way the new Trouble shooting
> >>>>> section is
> >>>>> designed made me feel like I was in a ERT swarm session. The
> >>>>> time limit
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> the clock counting down adds a TON of pressure!!! The only thing
> >>>>> that
> >>> was
> >>>>> missing was a VP, and CIO standing over my shoulder with a upset
> >>>>> look on
> >>>>> their face!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will agree with what everything people are saying about the
> >>>>> Trouble
> >>>>> shooting Section. The question are VERY vague, but in my
> >>>>> experience
> >>> this
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> the type of trouble tickets I get at work. Typically I get
> >>>>> tickets from
> >>>>> my
> >>>>> NOC that say network node "X" is unreachable, and that is ALL
> >>>>> that is in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> ticket. I think the CCIE team must have asked customers for
> >>>>> copies of
> >>>>> there
> >>>>> NOC tickets and emulated them in the exam. This new Trouble
> >>>>> Shooting
> >>>>> section really raises the bar and the focus on the CCIE exam.
> >>>>> This is
> >>> not
> >>>>> my first attempt at the lab, and I will say it is totally
> >>>>> different that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> V3 lab.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I feel we all have to shift the way we study in order to pass the
> >>>>> new
> >>>>> exam.
> >>>>> I would not say memorize the Non-core tasks but learn them just
> >>>>> as well
> >>> as
> >>>>> core tasks. Focus on the Blue Print VERY VERY hard. If it is
> >>>>> on the
> >>>>> Blue
> >>>>> Print know it 125% If you see it on the Blue print you have to
> >>>>> be able
> >>> to
> >>>>> spit out every thing on the subject with out the DocCD for any
> >>>>> help!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OEQ - Same old stuff, nothing new here. But I feel with the new
> >>>>> Trouble
> >>>>> shooting section it is now pointless and a waist of time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Config section - Just like every one has said, there are less
> >>>>> sections,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> more tasks in each section. So basically the same old lab in a
> >>>>> 5.5 hour
> >>>>> session. No time for the DocCD if you need help. You have to be
> >>>>> in a
> >>>>> rush
> >>>>> the whole lab. I really recommend that everyone goes any buys a
> >>>>> stop
> >>>>> watch
> >>>>> and start timing your config sections and find ways to shorten
> >>>>> your time
> >>>>> on
> >>>>> every study section.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My results - I dont have the official results yet, but I already
> >>>>> know I
> >>>>> failed. I was not able to get enough trouble tickets done by the
> >>>>> time
> >>>>> limit. I did the math and knew I did not reach the ~80% to pass.
> >>> When
> >>>>> the clock hit and I knew I did not pass the TS it took me nearly
> >>>>> 30 min
> >>> to
> >>>>> pick my self up and continue on with the config section. Knowing
> >>>>> that
> >>> the
> >>>>> rest of my day was basically a waist of my time, I found it VERY
> >>>>> hard to
> >>>>> bring myself to go through the pain of the rest of the lab, when
> >>>>> I knew
> >>> it
> >>>>> was in vain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am going to go back to study and shift my focus, and try again in
> >>> maybe
> >>>>> 6
> >>>>> or 9 months. Service Provider here I come!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope this helps everyone out there, and good luck!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>> Roy
> >>>
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