Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped

I'll bite. Totally untrue and insulting to ,anybody that passed v3.0. Just because you are not an expert does not mean that people deemed experts before are magically no longer experts because the bp changed.
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Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:51:17
To: Atlanta CCIE<atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
Cc: Christopher Copley<copley.chris_at_gmail.com>; Roy Waterman<roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped

More constructive and extremely techinical posts from the troll.

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On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:16 PM, "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris - Great Review and sorry to hear you didnt pass. Results are
> not in
> yet so dont give up.
>
> Looks like soon we will have to look at CCIE#s AFTER Oct 18th 2009
> to gauge
> the candidate's skills :) No more free rides (for now). I can
> already see
> how folks got free CCIE#s between Feb-Oct18th 2009 (Yeah bitch all you
> want).
>
> Chris - dont give up and hit back in 30 days.
>
> As for OEQs, I agree and have been saying that.
>
> Let the hate begin :D
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Christopher Copley <copley.chris_at_gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Roy,
>>
>> The SP track was actually some thing I was looking to do any
>> way. Being
>> that I am < 24 hours after my lab it might just be emotion
>> speaking. I
>> still want to go back and beat the R&S exam. I have put to much
>> time and
>> dedication in it to quit now! I will get it, i am just not sure
>> of the
>> path I will take to get there now.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Roy Waterman
>> <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris
>>>
>>> Thanks for your feedback & shame you didnt pass this time.
>>> Am just wondering, you mentioned you would be pursuing the SP track.
>>> Knowing what it will take to pass the lab, can I ask why you just
>>> dont
>>> carry on, & prepare to pass it?
>>> After all, if you restart in 6-9 months, it may well take you
>>> longer to
>> get
>>> back up to the stage that you are now?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Roy
>>>
>>> 2009/10/31 Christopher Copley <copley.chris_at_gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I just got back from the lab yesterday and I have to say the above
>>>> comments
>>>> in this post are right on 100%. IMHO there are no more so
>>>> called core
>>>> and
>>>> non-core tasks! You have to now go into the lab with a nearly
>>>> perfect
>>>> knowledge of EVERY THING on the blue print. In my past studies I
>> focused
>>>> very hard on L2, L3 & some of the smaller topics like services
>>>> (i.e.
>> ntp,
>>>> drp, netflow, etc) I knew well, but knew where they were in the
>>>> DocCD.
>>>> ***YOU CAN NOT DO THIS NOW!!!!****. With out breaking NDA,
>>>> lets say
>> you
>>>> have a question in trouble shooting on what in the past was a Non-
>>>> Core
>>>> topic. You DO NOT have time to go to the DocCD. You have to be
>>>> able to
>>>> spit out any solution both Core and Non-Core and any tweek on it
>>>> with
>> out
>>>> looking at the DocCD.
>>>>
>>>> I have worked on my company's IT Emergency Response Team for a
>>>> number of
>>>> years now, and I have to say the way the new Trouble shooting
>>>> section is
>>>> designed made me feel like I was in a ERT swarm session. The
>>>> time limit
>>>> and
>>>> the clock counting down adds a TON of pressure!!! The only thing
>>>> that
>> was
>>>> missing was a VP, and CIO standing over my shoulder with a upset
>>>> look on
>>>> their face!!!
>>>>
>>>> I will agree with what everything people are saying about the
>>>> Trouble
>>>> shooting Section. The question are VERY vague, but in my
>>>> experience
>> this
>>>> is
>>>> the type of trouble tickets I get at work. Typically I get
>>>> tickets from
>>>> my
>>>> NOC that say network node "X" is unreachable, and that is ALL
>>>> that is in
>>>> the
>>>> ticket. I think the CCIE team must have asked customers for
>>>> copies of
>>>> there
>>>> NOC tickets and emulated them in the exam. This new Trouble
>>>> Shooting
>>>> section really raises the bar and the focus on the CCIE exam.
>>>> This is
>> not
>>>> my first attempt at the lab, and I will say it is totally
>>>> different that
>>>> the
>>>> V3 lab.
>>>>
>>>> I feel we all have to shift the way we study in order to pass the
>>>> new
>>>> exam.
>>>> I would not say memorize the Non-core tasks but learn them just
>>>> as well
>> as
>>>> core tasks. Focus on the Blue Print VERY VERY hard. If it is
>>>> on the
>>>> Blue
>>>> Print know it 125% If you see it on the Blue print you have to
>>>> be able
>> to
>>>> spit out every thing on the subject with out the DocCD for any
>>>> help!!!
>>>>
>>>> OEQ - Same old stuff, nothing new here. But I feel with the new
>>>> Trouble
>>>> shooting section it is now pointless and a waist of time.
>>>>
>>>> Config section - Just like every one has said, there are less
>>>> sections,
>>>> but
>>>> more tasks in each section. So basically the same old lab in a
>>>> 5.5 hour
>>>> session. No time for the DocCD if you need help. You have to be
>>>> in a
>>>> rush
>>>> the whole lab. I really recommend that everyone goes any buys a
>>>> stop
>>>> watch
>>>> and start timing your config sections and find ways to shorten
>>>> your time
>>>> on
>>>> every study section.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My results - I dont have the official results yet, but I already
>>>> know I
>>>> failed. I was not able to get enough trouble tickets done by the
>>>> time
>>>> limit. I did the math and knew I did not reach the ~80% to pass.
>> When
>>>> the clock hit and I knew I did not pass the TS it took me nearly
>>>> 30 min
>> to
>>>> pick my self up and continue on with the config section. Knowing
>>>> that
>> the
>>>> rest of my day was basically a waist of my time, I found it VERY
>>>> hard to
>>>> bring myself to go through the pain of the rest of the lab, when
>>>> I knew
>> it
>>>> was in vain.
>>>>
>>>> I am going to go back to study and shift my focus, and try again in
>> maybe
>>>> 6
>>>> or 9 months. Service Provider here I come!!!
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps everyone out there, and good luck!!!
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
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