Re: Cisco Safe Lab

Pump your brakes turbo...no need for violance.

Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736

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On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Ken Denube <kd5262_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Dawn is very helpful. She has worked with me a lot. I do not like to
> see
> these types of comments about her. If anyone wants to mess with her,
> I will
> run them over with my car.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of mark
> jackson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:35 PM
> To: Brad Ellis
> Cc: Dawn Tesar; Narbik Kocharians; <smorris_at_ine.com>; JR Garcia; Cisco
> certification
> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>
> Excellent,
> Thank you kindly Brad :-)
>
> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Please excuse spelling errors
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:33 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>>
>>
>> She just gets a little excited, that's all. She has the best of
>> intentions - she's just trying to set things straight with the
>> details
>> in regards to the lab safe program.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm going to try, and hopefully, end this thread and suggest if you
>> have
>> any questions about the program to contact me offlist or, if you
>> like,
>> you can contact Rick Smith at cisco (smithr_at_cisco.com) We've asked
>> Rick
>> to work with CLN to clear up the confusion.
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Brad Ellis
>>
>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>
>> CCSI# 30482
>>
>> CEO / President
>>
>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>
>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:28 PM
>> To: Dawn Tesar
>> Cc: Narbik Kocharians; <smorris_at_ine.com>; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia;
>> Cisco
>> certification
>> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>>
>>
>>
>> Or joining an outfit where the Sales and Marketing Director act like
>> that = Terrible
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope your better with cisco gear then sales and marketing, might need
>> those digits after all...
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry Brad, I respect you highly but you have a loose cannon on your
>> squad and that isn't good for business.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:23 PM, "Dawn Tesar" <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Pricing as follows:
>>
>> CIERS1 (5 day ILT Boot Camp)
>>
>> 1 Assessment Lab
>>
>> CCIE RS Advanced Lab Workbook
>>
>> CCIE RS Technology Lab Workbook
>>
>> 30 - eight hour sessions of rack time
>>
>> 1 hour mentoring session with CCIE RS Instructor
>>
>>
>>
>> PRICELESS, no really Total: $3144.00
>>
>>
>>
>> Just for putting up with all the bantering J
>>
>> I think this is justification for the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion.
>> Yes?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
>>
>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada
>> 89014
>>
>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
>> 702.446.0357 Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>
>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>
>>
>>
>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco
>> Premier Channel Partner
>> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
>> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
>>
>> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:12 PM
>> To: Dawn Tesar
>> Cc: Narbik Kocharians; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia;
>> Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>>
>>
>>
>> wow, who hurt the little 'dawn' inside you...oh, your welcome
>> and I guess your done.
>>
>> ...note to self on what vendor not to recommend or take.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Dawn Tesar
>> <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>
>> And here is my document - read to the end please (pg 2, bulleted
>> points to be exact) -
>>
>>
>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/collateral/360/cisco-lab-safe-promotion.pdf
>>
>> Some of us have more information than others and that is why I
>> am sharing this with you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Obtain their instructor's recommendation
>>
>> Complete the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials
>> Package
>>
>> or a CIERS instructor-led workshop
>>
>> Score 80% or better on at least one performance assessment
>>
>>
>>
>> You are welcome J Are we done now?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
>>
>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada
>> 89014
>>
>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
>> 702.446.0357 Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>
>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>
>>
>>
>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco
>> Premier Channel Partner
>>
>>
>> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
>> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
>>
>> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:52 PM
>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> Cc: Dawn Tesar; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
>> certification
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>>
>>
>>
>> All the bickering and barking. All the opinions and harsh tones.
>> All this for what? To get customers? Prove a point? You all (no names
>> provided as I already said what I felt) are providing absolutely EPIC
>> FAILURE... Now won't you all take a deep breath...
>>
>> For anyone reading this who thinks this is all this list is
>> about. Kindly forgive the BS. The kids arguing just can't provide a
>> document and just move on. Instead, they trump their business...not
>> really thinking that by all the talking their doing they are in fact
>> making their business look STOOPID!!!
>>
>> Here is the document
>> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5913
>>
>> Hopefully this will put an end to this, so we can all help,
>> learn or whatever. I'm just tired of having to hit delete every 5
>> seconds with no real traction.
>>
>> Thanks kindly.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> NOW....Was that different to what i mentioned?
>>
>>
>>
>> I am in this program and i do talk to RICK Smith, and sometimes
>> on weekly basis. I have included my 2.0 boot camp in this program and
>> together the students have a better passing rate. May be the BEST
>> passing chance. But hey.....if a student does NOT score 80 percent on
>> ONE of the labs, then, i guess i will not be recommending him/her
>> for a
>> FREE voucher, i guess after all the labs and lectures in my boot
>> camp if
>> you still score below 80 percent on all the labs, i guess you are NOT
>> ready therefore, you don't qualify.
>>
>> Now once again:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
>> 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
>> 3 Instructor Recommendation
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Dawn Tesar
>> <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Stop reading and start understanding -
>>
>> Let's be really clear and end this discussion, I am part of this
>> promotion:
>> If you would like to be a part of the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion -
>> call me, here is what you HAVE TO do:
>> 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
>> 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
>> 3 Instructor Recommendation
>>
>> Period the end. I guaranteed this to be accurate.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dawn Tesar
>> CCBOOTCAMP
>> 1.877.654.2243
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:29 PM
>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> Cc: smorris_at_ine.com; Dawn Tesar; mark jackson; Brad Ellis; JR
>> Garcia; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>>
>> I'm not doing anything but reading. Why is that so hard for
>> some people
>> to do???
>>
>> For the assessment labs, it very clearly states "Complete all
>> and score
>> 80% or higher on at least one exam"
>>
>> AND = both. Purchase FOUR assessment labs. Score above 80% on
>> at least
>> one.
>>
>> Attend the course as you stated
>>
>> AND obtain the instructor's recommendation. While we may like
>> to assume
>> that's an automatic thing, clearly it is not otherwise they
>> wouldn't
>> bother putting that in there.
>>
>> Beyond that, I'm not making anything up, but it would be very
>> nice to
>> have people read their own marketing stuff. And it says that
>> "All
>> components must be marked complete" blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> I repeat, I don't have anything against the program or the Safe
>> Lab...
>> Just against sales folks not knowing their own rules and trying
>> to sell
>> something without full disclosure. And yes, I hold the same
>> principles
>> towards anyone selling anything in life, so it's nothing new.
>>
>> If that's unbelievable for you, I'm sorry about that. Notice
>> that in
>> NONE of the posts did I say "gee, go someplace else instead" or
>> name
>> anything else. So how about you figure out what the program is
>> that
>> you are involved in and between yourselves quit making shit up?
>> THAT is
>> the point.
>>
>> Principles. New concept. Nothing more needs to be said about
>> it, so
>> feel free to come out with another "unbelievable" commentary.
>> I'm done
>> with it.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Why do you like to confuse everyone? I read the rules and
>> spoke to Netmaster
>>> and some people in Cisco, its amazing how you have the ability
>> to twist the
>>> words around. Mate the rule is very SIMPLE, if you attend
>> CIERS-1 and score
>>> 80 or better and god forbid you fail the lab, upon instructors
>>> recommendation Cisco will give that student a FREE voucher.
>> NOW...Which part
>>> is NOT clear? If you like i can get Netmaster people to second
>> what i am
>>> saying here.
>>>
>>> This is unbelievable what some will do these days............
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Morris
>> <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well said... But you may consider telling the Cisco
>> Marketing people
>>>> about their own program since clearly you know it better than
>> they do! ;)
>>>>
>>>> The publicly facing document has pretty clear guidelines for
>> all the
>>>> stuff you have to purchase and accomplish in order to "fit
>> the criteria"
>>>> for the free lab resit. I believe a GS Archive search will
>> see that
>>>> too, but it's ok.
>>>>
>>>> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5857
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure why I need to know more about your programs than
>> you do,
>>>> but it's ok. Just like used cars... Taxes, fees, licenses,
>> delivery
>>>> to destination, titling all separate (but required).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>> Provider) #4713,
>>>>
>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>
>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>
>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>
>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>
>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>
>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well said. How could one even think about grey market?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Dawn Tesar
>> <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>>>> <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually... take it from someone who knows the Cisco 360
>> Program -
>>>>> you only have to buy a single class and a graded
>> assessment to be
>>>>> a part of the Cisco Lab Safe. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Well worth the protection. And it doesn't cost a cent
>> more than
>>>>> grey market. HMMMM... what would I choose?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
>>>>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson,
>> Nevada 89014
>>>>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
>> 702.446.0357
>>>>> Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>>>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) ,
>> Cisco
>>>>> Premier Channel Partner
>>>>> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
>>>>> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
>>>>> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:25 PM
>>>>> To: smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>
>>>>> Cc: Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco certification; Dawn
>> Tesar
>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
>>>>>
>>>>> ...mental note made ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Scott Morris
>> <smorris_at_ine.com
>>>>> <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hehehehe... While that made me laugh out loud, I'd
>> still at least
>>>>>> caution that it's not the WHOLE story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to purchase several other things to be part
>> of the
>>>>> Cisco Safe
>>>>>> Lab program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I think you have to BUY the screwdriver set in
>> order to get the
>>>>>> special case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mark jackson wrote:
>>>>>>> ...but wait there's more! Act now and receive
>> absolutely free,
>>>>>
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>>>> free screwdriver set.
>>>>>>> Sorry, could resist (hehe)
>>>>>>> All great people JR and well worth looking at ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 PM, "Brad Ellis"
>> <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>>>> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JR,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you book your class with CCBOOTCAMP (my company),
>> you will
>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>> retake of not only our class, but if you fail your
>> lab exam, with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Cisco 360 lab safe program, you will also get a free
>> retake of
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>>> exam as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>> Brad Ellis
>>>>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>>>>>>> CCSI# 30482
>>>>>>>> CEO / President
>>>>>>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>>>>>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>>>>>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>>>>>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>>>>>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>>>>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>>>>>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>>>> <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>> JR Garcia
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Cisco certification
>>>>>>>> Subject: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> was looking at taking a class spring 2010 before
>> making an
>>>>>
>>>> attempt
>>>>
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> lab.
>>>>>>>> has any one ever attended one of his classes? the
>> other vendors
>>>>>>>> offer a
>>>>>>>> lab/lecture type class, but i really don't want any
>> lecture. i
>>>>>
>>>> can
>>>>
>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> watch videos on my own time to learn the
>> technologies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> leaving home for 3 weeks with no distractions and
>> just
>>>>>
>>>> configuring
>>>>
>>>>>>>> everyday
>>>>>>>> with someone there to give guidance is really
>> appealing to me.
>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>> good way to finish up studying before an attempt. i
>> haven't been
>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> find any reviews out there so i figured id try here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>>> <http://www.ccie.net/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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>> Narbik Kocharians
>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> www.MicronicsTraining.com
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>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
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>> Senior Network, Security and Voice Architect
>>
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>> Senior Network, Security and Voice Architect
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