Re: Cisco Safe Lab

Dawn,

I AM new (to this discussion) and I see exactly what they're talking about
(ok talking is a bit nice, but take a step back from the banter, and look at
the meat of what's said).

The Cisco document clearly says you have to take all 4 assessments and pass
at least one... your document doesn't say that clearly, and your
price-breakdown further supports a belief that all 4 are not required. This
is a discrepancy that should be dealt with so we can all understand better.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 19:27, Craig Tompkins <sidalo_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> My question would be why are there differences in the two documents? Maybe
> it is me who is missing something, but if I was new to the game and started
> researching and came across the Cisco Learning Network, I would find their
> document which tells me I need all 4 assessments.
> Maybe you can take this specifically to Cisco and work on updating their
> document to match yours if the requirement to take all 4 was removed,
> changed or never should have been on that document in the first place.
> Fixing the discrepancies benefit your company and the prospective
> candidates.
>
> ---
> Craig Tompkins
> CCIE #16921
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> > And here is my document - read to the end please (pg 2, bulleted points
> > to be exact) -
> >
> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/collateral/360/cisco-lab-safe-promotion.pdf
> >
> > Some of us have more information than others and that is why I am
> > sharing this with you.
> >
> >
> >
> > Obtain their instructor's recommendation
> >
> > Complete the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials Package
> >
> > or a CIERS instructor-led workshop
> >
> > Score 80% or better on at least one performance assessment
> >
> >
> >
> > You are welcome J Are we done now?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
> >
> > 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada 89014
> >
> > Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax 702.446.0357 Skype
> > skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >
> > Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >
> >
> >
> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco Premier
> > Channel Partner
> > Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
> > CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
> >
> > GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:52 PM
> > To: Narbik Kocharians
> > Cc: Dawn Tesar; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
> > certification
> > Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
> >
> >
> >
> > All the bickering and barking. All the opinions and harsh tones. All
> > this for what? To get customers? Prove a point? You all (no names
> > provided as I already said what I felt) are providing absolutely EPIC
> > FAILURE... Now won't you all take a deep breath...
> >
> > For anyone reading this who thinks this is all this list is about.
> > Kindly forgive the BS. The kids arguing just can't provide a document
> > and just move on. Instead, they trump their business...not really
> > thinking that by all the talking their doing they are in fact making
> > their business look STOOPID!!!
> >
> > Here is the document https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5913
> >
> > Hopefully this will put an end to this, so we can all help, learn or
> > whatever. I'm just tired of having to hit delete every 5 seconds with no
> > real traction.
> >
> > Thanks kindly.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > NOW....Was that different to what i mentioned?
> >
> >
> >
> > I am in this program and i do talk to RICK Smith, and sometimes on
> > weekly basis. I have included my 2.0 boot camp in this program and
> > together the students have a better passing rate. May be the BEST
> > passing chance. But hey.....if a student does NOT score 80 percent on
> > ONE of the labs, then, i guess i will not be recommending him/her for a
> > FREE voucher, i guess after all the labs and lectures in my boot camp if
> > you still score below 80 percent on all the labs, i guess you are NOT
> > ready therefore, you don't qualify.
> >
> > Now once again:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
> > 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
> > 3 Instructor Recommendation
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> >
> > Stop reading and start understanding -
> >
> > Let's be really clear and end this discussion, I am part of this
> > promotion:
> > If you would like to be a part of the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion - call
> > me, here is what you HAVE TO do:
> > 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
> > 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
> > 3 Instructor Recommendation
> >
> > Period the end. I guaranteed this to be accurate.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dawn Tesar
> > CCBOOTCAMP
> > 1.877.654.2243
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:29 PM
> > To: Narbik Kocharians
> > Cc: smorris_at_ine.com; Dawn Tesar; mark jackson; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia;
> > Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
> >
> > I'm not doing anything but reading. Why is that so hard for some people
> > to do???
> >
> > For the assessment labs, it very clearly states "Complete all and score
> > 80% or higher on at least one exam"
> >
> > AND = both. Purchase FOUR assessment labs. Score above 80% on at least
> > one.
> >
> > Attend the course as you stated
> >
> > AND obtain the instructor's recommendation. While we may like to assume
> > that's an automatic thing, clearly it is not otherwise they wouldn't
> > bother putting that in there.
> >
> > Beyond that, I'm not making anything up, but it would be very nice to
> > have people read their own marketing stuff. And it says that "All
> > components must be marked complete" blah, blah, blah.
> >
> > I repeat, I don't have anything against the program or the Safe Lab...
> > Just against sales folks not knowing their own rules and trying to sell
> > something without full disclosure. And yes, I hold the same principles
> > towards anyone selling anything in life, so it's nothing new.
> >
> > If that's unbelievable for you, I'm sorry about that. Notice that in
> > NONE of the posts did I say "gee, go someplace else instead" or name
> > anything else. So how about you figure out what the program is that
> > you are involved in and between yourselves quit making shit up? THAT is
> > the point.
> >
> > Principles. New concept. Nothing more needs to be said about it, so
> > feel free to come out with another "unbelievable" commentary. I'm done
> > with it.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > Why do you like to confuse everyone? I read the rules and spoke to
> > Netmaster
> > > and some people in Cisco, its amazing how you have the ability to
> > twist the
> > > words around. Mate the rule is very SIMPLE, if you attend CIERS-1 and
> > score
> > > 80 or better and god forbid you fail the lab, upon instructors
> > > recommendation Cisco will give that student a FREE voucher.
> > NOW...Which part
> > > is NOT clear? If you like i can get Netmaster people to second what i
> > am
> > > saying here.
> > >
> > > This is unbelievable what some will do these days............
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Well said... But you may consider telling the Cisco Marketing people
> > >> about their own program since clearly you know it better than they
> > do! ;)
> > >>
> > >> The publicly facing document has pretty clear guidelines for all the
> > >> stuff you have to purchase and accomplish in order to "fit the
> > criteria"
> > >> for the free lab resit. I believe a GS Archive search will see that
> > >> too, but it's ok.
> > >>
> > >> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5857
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure why I need to know more about your programs than you do,
> > >> but it's ok. Just like used cars... Taxes, fees, licenses,
> > delivery
> > >> to destination, titling all separate (but required).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> > >>
> > >> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > >>
> > >> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > >>
> > >> evil_at_ine.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > >>
> > >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >>
> > >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Knowledge is power.
> > >>
> > >> Power corrupts.
> > >>
> > >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Well said. How could one even think about grey market?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > >>> <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Actually... take it from someone who knows the Cisco 360 Program
> > -
> > >>> you only have to buy a single class and a graded assessment to
> > be
> > >>> a part of the Cisco Lab Safe. :)
> > >>>
> > >>> Well worth the protection. And it doesn't cost a cent more than
> > >>> grey market. HMMMM... what would I choose?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
> > >>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada
> > 89014
> > >>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
> > 702.446.0357
> > >>> Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > >>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> > >>>
> > >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco
> > >>> Premier Channel Partner
> > >>> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
> > >>> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
> > >>> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com
> > >>> <mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>]
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:25 PM
> > >>> To: smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>
> > >>> Cc: Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco certification; Dawn Tesar
> > >>> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> > >>>
> > >>> ...mental note made ;-)
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> Please excuse spelling errors
> > >>>
> > >>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
> > >>> <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > hehehehe... While that made me laugh out loud, I'd still at
> > least
> > >>> > caution that it's not the WHOLE story.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > You have to purchase several other things to be part of the
> > >>> Cisco Safe
> > >>> > Lab program.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > So I think you have to BUY the screwdriver set in order to get
> > the
> > >>> > special case.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Scott
> > >>> >
> > >>> > mark jackson wrote:
> > >>> >> ...but wait there's more! Act now and receive absolutely
> > free,
> > >>>
> > >> this
> > >>
> > >>> >> free screwdriver set.
> > >>> >> Sorry, could resist (hehe)
> > >>> >> All great people JR and well worth looking at ;-)
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> >> Please excuse spelling errors
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 PM, "Brad Ellis"
> > <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > >>> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>>
> > >>> >> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>> JR,
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> If you book your class with CCBOOTCAMP (my company), you
> > will
> > >>> get a
> > >>> >>> free
> > >>> >>> retake of not only our class, but if you fail your lab exam,
> > with
> > >>> >>> the
> > >>> >>> Cisco 360 lab safe program, you will also get a free retake
> > of
> > >>>
> > >> the
> > >>
> > >>> >>> lab
> > >>> >>> exam as well.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> thanks,
> > >>> >>> Brad Ellis
> > >>> >>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > >>> >>> CCSI# 30482
> > >>> >>> CEO / President
> > >>> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > >>> >>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> > >>> >>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > >>> >>> International: +1-702-968-5100
> > >>> >>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > >>> >>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > >>> >>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > >>> >>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
> > >>> <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
> > >>> Behalf
> > >>> >>> Of
> > >>> >>> JR Garcia
> > >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
> > >>> >>> To: Cisco certification
> > >>> >>> Subject: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> was looking at taking a class spring 2010 before making an
> > >>>
> > >> attempt
> > >>
> > >>> >>> at
> > >>> >>> the
> > >>> >>> lab.
> > >>> >>> has any one ever attended one of his classes? the other
> > vendors
> > >>> >>> offer a
> > >>> >>> lab/lecture type class, but i really don't want any lecture.
> > i
> > >>>
> > >> can
> > >>
> > >>> >>> read
> > >>> >>> and
> > >>> >>> watch videos on my own time to learn the technologies.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> leaving home for 3 weeks with no distractions and just
> > >>>
> > >> configuring
> > >>
> > >>> >>> everyday
> > >>> >>> with someone there to give guidance is really appealing to
> > me.
> > >>> seems
> > >>> >>> like a
> > >>> >>> good way to finish up studying before an attempt. i haven't
> > been
> > >>> >>> able
> > >>> >>> to
> > >>> >>> find any reviews out there so i figured id try here.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> thanks
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>
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> > >>> --
> > >>> Narbik Kocharians
> > >>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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> > >>
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> > Narbik Kocharians
> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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> >
> > Sr. Technical Instructor
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> >
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> > Senior Network, Security and Voice Architect
> >
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