Re: Cisco Safe Lab

LOL. Yeah, I totally understand.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Jackson, Tony <Tony.Jackson_at_mckesson.com>wrote:

> Thanks Mark. I was interested until I looked at the pricing (roughly
> $8,000). I'll stick with my books, lab, Cisco Doc, and INE workbooks. If
> that is not enough then screw it. I'll go get an MBA and hire some
> CCIEs.
>
>
> Regards,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:52 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Dawn Tesar; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
> certification
> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>
> All the bickering and barking. All the opinions and harsh tones. All
> this
> for what? To get customers? Prove a point? You all (no names provided as
> I
> already said what I felt) are providing absolutely EPIC FAILURE... Now
> won't
> you all take a deep breath...
> For anyone reading this who thinks this is all this list is about.
> Kindly
> forgive the BS. The kids arguing just can't provide a document and just
> move
> on. Instead, they trump their business...not really thinking that by all
> the
> talking their doing they are in fact making their business look
> STOOPID!!!
> Here is the document https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5913
> Hopefully this will put an end to this, so we can all help, learn or
> whatever. I'm just tired of having to hit delete every 5 seconds with no
> real traction.
> Thanks kindly.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > NOW....Was that different to what i mentioned?
> >
> > I am in this program and i do talk to RICK Smith, and sometimes on
> weekly
> > basis. I have included my 2.0 boot camp in this program and together
> the
> > students have a better passing rate. May be the BEST passing chance.
> But
> > hey.....if a student does NOT score 80 percent on *ONE* of the labs,
> then,
> > i guess i will not be recommending him/her for a FREE voucher, i guess
> after
> > all the labs and lectures in my boot camp if you still score below 80
> > percent on all the labs, i guess you are NOT ready therefore, you
> don't
> > qualify.
> > Now once again:
> >
> > 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
> > 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
> > 3 Instructor Recommendation
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Stop reading and start understanding -
> >>
> >> Let's be really clear and end this discussion, I am part of this
> >> promotion:
> >> If you would like to be a part of the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion - call
> me,
> >> here is what you HAVE TO do:
> >> 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
> >> 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
> >> 3 Instructor Recommendation
> >>
> >> Period the end. I guaranteed this to be accurate.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dawn Tesar
> >> CCBOOTCAMP
> >> 1.877.654.2243
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:29 PM
> >> To: Narbik Kocharians
> >> Cc: smorris_at_ine.com; Dawn Tesar; mark jackson; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia;
> >> Cisco certification
> >> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
> >>
> >> I'm not doing anything but reading. Why is that so hard for some
> people
> >> to do???
> >>
> >> For the assessment labs, it very clearly states "Complete all and
> score
> >> 80% or higher on at least one exam"
> >>
> >> AND = both. Purchase FOUR assessment labs. Score above 80% on at
> least
> >> one.
> >>
> >> Attend the course as you stated
> >>
> >> AND obtain the instructor's recommendation. While we may like to
> assume
> >> that's an automatic thing, clearly it is not otherwise they wouldn't
> >> bother putting that in there.
> >>
> >> Beyond that, I'm not making anything up, but it would be very nice to
> >> have people read their own marketing stuff. And it says that "All
> >> components must be marked complete" blah, blah, blah.
> >>
> >> I repeat, I don't have anything against the program or the Safe
> Lab...
> >> Just against sales folks not knowing their own rules and trying to
> sell
> >> something without full disclosure. And yes, I hold the same
> principles
> >> towards anyone selling anything in life, so it's nothing new.
> >>
> >> If that's unbelievable for you, I'm sorry about that. Notice that in
> >> NONE of the posts did I say "gee, go someplace else instead" or name
> >> anything else. So how about you figure out what the program is that
> >> you are involved in and between yourselves quit making shit up? THAT
> is
> >> the point.
> >>
> >> Principles. New concept. Nothing more needs to be said about it, so
> >> feel free to come out with another "unbelievable" commentary. I'm
> done
> >> with it.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >>
> >> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >> > Scott,
> >> >
> >> > Why do you like to confuse everyone? I read the rules and spoke to
> >> Netmaster
> >> > and some people in Cisco, its amazing how you have the ability to
> twist
> >> the
> >> > words around. Mate the rule is very SIMPLE, if you attend CIERS-1
> and
> >> score
> >> > 80 or better and god forbid you fail the lab, upon instructors
> >> > recommendation Cisco will give that student a FREE voucher.
> NOW...Which
> >> part
> >> > is NOT clear? If you like i can get Netmaster people to second what
> i am
> >> > saying here.
> >> >
> >> > This is unbelievable what some will do these days............
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Well said... But you may consider telling the Cisco Marketing
> people
> >> >> about their own program since clearly you know it better than they
> do!
> >> ;)
> >> >>
> >> >> The publicly facing document has pretty clear guidelines for all
> the
> >> >> stuff you have to purchase and accomplish in order to "fit the
> >> criteria"
> >> >> for the free lab resit. I believe a GS Archive search will see
> that
> >> >> too, but it's ok.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5857
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not sure why I need to know more about your programs than you
> do,
> >> >> but it's ok. Just like used cars... Taxes, fees, licenses,
> delivery
> >> >> to destination, titling all separate (but required).
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> >> #4713,
> >> >>
> >> >> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >> >>
> >> >> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >> >>
> >> >> evil_at_ine.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >> >>
> >> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> >>
> >> >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Knowledge is power.
> >> >>
> >> >> Power corrupts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Well said. How could one even think about grey market?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >> >>> <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually... take it from someone who knows the Cisco 360
> Program -
> >> >>> you only have to buy a single class and a graded assessment
> to be
> >> >>> a part of the Cisco Lab Safe. :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Well worth the protection. And it doesn't cost a cent more
> than
> >> >>> grey market. HMMMM... what would I choose?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
> >> >>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson,
> Nevada
> >> 89014
> >> >>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
> 702.446.0357
> >> >>> Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >> >>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco
> >> >>> Premier Channel Partner
> >> >>> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
> >> >>> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
> >> >>> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com
> >> >>> <mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>]
> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:25 PM
> >> >>> To: smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>
> >> >>> Cc: Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco certification; Dawn Tesar
> >> >>> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ...mental note made ;-)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>> Please excuse spelling errors
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
> >> >>> <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > hehehehe... While that made me laugh out loud, I'd still
> at
> >> least
> >> >>> > caution that it's not the WHOLE story.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > You have to purchase several other things to be part of the
> >> >>> Cisco Safe
> >> >>> > Lab program.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > So I think you have to BUY the screwdriver set in order to
> get
> >> the
> >> >>> > special case.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Scott
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > mark jackson wrote:
> >> >>> >> ...but wait there's more! Act now and receive absolutely
> free,
> >> >>>
> >> >> this
> >> >>
> >> >>> >> free screwdriver set.
> >> >>> >> Sorry, could resist (hehe)
> >> >>> >> All great people JR and well worth looking at ;-)
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>> >> Please excuse spelling errors
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 PM, "Brad Ellis"
> <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >> >>> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>>
> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> JR,
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> If you book your class with CCBOOTCAMP (my company), you
> will
> >> >>> get a
> >> >>> >>> free
> >> >>> >>> retake of not only our class, but if you fail your lab
> exam,
> >> with
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> Cisco 360 lab safe program, you will also get a free
> retake of
> >> >>>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>> >>> lab
> >> >>> >>> exam as well.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> thanks,
> >> >>> >>> Brad Ellis
> >> >>> >>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >> >>> >>> CCSI# 30482
> >> >>> >>> CEO / President
> >> >>> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> >> >>> >>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> >> >>> >>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >> >>> >>> International: +1-702-968-5100
> >> >>> >>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >> >>> >>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >> >>> >>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >> >>> >>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >> >>> <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> >>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>]
> On
> >> >>> Behalf
> >> >>> >>> Of
> >> >>> >>> JR Garcia
> >> >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
> >> >>> >>> To: Cisco certification
> >> >>> >>> Subject: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> was looking at taking a class spring 2010 before making
> an
> >> >>>
> >> >> attempt
> >> >>
> >> >>> >>> at
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> lab.
> >> >>> >>> has any one ever attended one of his classes? the other
> >> vendors
> >> >>> >>> offer a
> >> >>> >>> lab/lecture type class, but i really don't want any
> lecture. i
> >> >>>
> >> >> can
> >> >>
> >> >>> >>> read
> >> >>> >>> and
> >> >>> >>> watch videos on my own time to learn the technologies.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> leaving home for 3 weeks with no distractions and just
> >> >>>
> >> >> configuring
> >> >>
> >> >>> >>> everyday
> >> >>> >>> with someone there to give guidance is really appealing
> to me.
> >> >>> seems
> >> >>> >>> like a
> >> >>> >>> good way to finish up studying before an attempt. i
> haven't
> >> been
> >> >>> >>> able
> >> >>> >>> to
> >> >>> >>> find any reviews out there so i figured id try here.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> thanks
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>
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> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Narbik Kocharians
> >> >>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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