Re: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing

Agreed!

On 10/25/09, Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> my point again...
>
>>Who wants to compete in the tightening job market with someone who cheated
>> to
> get thiers?
>
>
> I often Interview fellow CCIE's for full-time positions at clients (I'm the
> firm's tech screen)
>
> If the person can't speak about the technology well enough to convince me
> they
> have developed solutions that make good business sense by using it, or they
> don't show good judgment in the
> Design and engineering process, whether they are CCIE #1 or CCIE #1,000,000
> won't matter. We recently passed on a few CCIE's that just didn't seem very
> good at practical application of the technology in favor of another
> candidate
> who didn't have the number, but had good rationale and good points to argue
> for their method to approach issues I presented to them (that were faced and
> solved in that shop)
>
> So I don't think you have to worry... When you are able to actually offer
> something other than "hey I passed the lab" you'll always have work.
>
> -Joe
>
> From: John Pelletier [mailto:john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:10 PM
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Joseph L. Brunner
> Subject: RE: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing
>
> I would suspect many who have honestly earned thier CCIE number and those
> who
> are honestly working towards one would be interested in Cisco committing to
> keeping the fraud out of the process as much as possible. Who wants to
> compete
> in the tightening job market with someone who cheated to get thiers? And
> don't
> say well they will fail in the job place as that is certainly not going to
> be
> the case in the many of the instances.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 10/25/09, Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> Subject: RE: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing
> To: "John Pelletier" <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>,
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 6:55 PM
> Honestly,
>
> Who cares?
>
> If this is such a big deal, you need something bigger to focus your energy
> on...
>
> CCIE, MCSE? MCA, CCA? MCDBA, ORACLE ACE?
>
> Let me hear you speak about your project plan and win a business's financial
> commitment to it.
>
> That friend is IT, worrying about anything else and you're doing it wrong...
>
> -Joe
> #19366
>
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> Subject: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing
>
> I have read from others this may be something in the offing in the future.
> This would be a huge mistake for Cisco, the fraud associated with this would
> make the CCIE an equivalent of an MCSE for cisco gear. The current fraud is
> bad enough.
>
> I personally witnessed this in Iraq when the "proctor' offer to hook me up
> with people who would pay for me to take exams for them AND sell the
> complete
> Q&As to the exams. I was doing a CCSP at the time, I did not take the offer
> and reported this situation to both Cisco and Vue and absolutely nothing was
> done. I reported it multiple times over a few years with the same result.
> This
> is not an isolated situation as 2 other people bought the site from him and
> guess what? Did the exact same thing. I have heard this is a common practice
> in some of the newer testing locations that have been added somewhat
> recently.
>
> I had a guy who worked for me fail the CCNA 5 times before the "test center"
> was in place and surprise surprise he passes his CCVP the first go around in
> 2
> weeks so you tell me. When I asked him about it he refused to admit he
> cheated or deny it so there you go.
>
> As for cost of running the test centers either Cisco wants to protect the
> integrity of thier certs or it does not it is that simple.
>
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