RE: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing

my point again...

>Who wants to compete in the tightening job market with someone who cheated to
get thiers?

I often Interview fellow CCIE's for full-time positions at clients (I'm the
firm's tech screen)

If the person can't speak about the technology well enough to convince me they
have developed solutions that make good business sense by using it, or they
don't show good judgment in the
Design and engineering process, whether they are CCIE #1 or CCIE #1,000,000
won't matter. We recently passed on a few CCIE's that just didn't seem very
good at practical application of the technology in favor of another candidate
who didn't have the number, but had good rationale and good points to argue
for their method to approach issues I presented to them (that were faced and
solved in that shop)

So I don't think you have to worry... When you are able to actually offer
something other than "hey I passed the lab" you'll always have work.

-Joe

From: John Pelletier [mailto:john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:10 PM
To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Joseph L. Brunner
Subject: RE: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing

I would suspect many who have honestly earned thier CCIE number and those who
are honestly working towards one would be interested in Cisco committing to
keeping the fraud out of the process as much as possible. Who wants to compete
in the tightening job market with someone who cheated to get thiers? And don't
say well they will fail in the job place as that is certainly not going to be
the case in the many of the instances.

--- On Sun, 10/25/09, Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:

From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
Subject: RE: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing
To: "John Pelletier" <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>,
"ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 6:55 PM
Honestly,

Who cares?

If this is such a big deal, you need something bigger to focus your energy
on...

CCIE, MCSE? MCA, CCA? MCDBA, ORACLE ACE?

Let me hear you speak about your project plan and win a business's financial
commitment to it.

That friend is IT, worrying about anything else and you're doing it wrong...

-Joe
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I have read from others this may be something in the offing in the future.
This would be a huge mistake for Cisco, the fraud associated with this would
make the CCIE an equivalent of an MCSE for cisco gear. The current fraud is
bad enough.

I personally witnessed this in Iraq when the "proctor' offer to hook me up
with people who would pay for me to take exams for them AND sell the complete
Q&As to the exams. I was doing a CCSP at the time, I did not take the offer
and reported this situation to both Cisco and Vue and absolutely nothing was
done. I reported it multiple times over a few years with the same result.
This
is not an isolated situation as 2 other people bought the site from him and
guess what? Did the exact same thing. I have heard this is a common practice
in some of the newer testing locations that have been added somewhat
recently.

I had a guy who worked for me fail the CCNA 5 times before the "test center"
was in place and surprise surprise he passes his CCVP the first go around in
2
weeks so you tell me. When I asked him about it he refused to admit he
cheated or deny it so there you go.

As for cost of running the test centers either Cisco wants to protect the
integrity of thier certs or it does not it is that simple.

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Received on Sun Oct 25 2009 - 22:00:21 ART