Re: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing

Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>

I agree with this.

Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736

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On Oct 25, 2009, at 4:11 PM, John Pelletier <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com
> wrote:

> I would suspect many who have honestly earned thier CCIE number and
> those who
> are honestly working towards one would be interested in Cisco
> committing to
> keeping the fraud out of the process as much as possible. Who wants
> to compete
> in the tightening job market with someone who cheated to get thiers?
> And don't
> say well they will fail in the job place as that is certainly not
> going to be
> the case in the many of the instances.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 10/25/09, Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> Subject: RE: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing
> To: "John Pelletier" <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>,
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 6:55 PM
>
>
> Honestly,
>
> Who cares?
>
> If this is such a big deal, you need something bigger to focus your
> energy
> on...
>
> CCIE, MCSE? MCA, CCA? MCDBA, ORACLE ACE?
>
> Let me hear you speak about your project plan and win a business's
> financial
> commitment to it.
>
> That friend is IT, worrying about anything else and you're doing it
> wrong...
>
> -Joe
> #19366
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of John
> Pelletier
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:53 PM
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: CCIE lab and VUE outsourcing
>
> I have read from others this may be something in the offing in the
> future.
> This would be a huge mistake for Cisco, the fraud associated with
> this would
> make the CCIE an equivalent of an MCSE for cisco gear. The current
> fraud is
> bad enough.
>
> I personally witnessed this in Iraq when the "proctor' offer to hook
> me up
> with people who would pay for me to take exams for them AND sell the
> complete
> Q&As to the exams. I was doing a CCSP at the time, I did not take
> the offer
> and reported this situation to both Cisco and Vue and absolutely
> nothing was
> done. I reported it multiple times over a few years with the same
> result.
> This
> is not an isolated situation as 2 other people bought the site from
> him and
> guess what? Did the exact same thing. I have heard this is a common
> practice
> in some of the newer testing locations that have been added somewhat
> recently.
>
> I had a guy who worked for me fail the CCNA 5 times before the "test
> center"
> was in place and surprise surprise he passes his CCVP the first go
> around in
> 2
> weeks so you tell me. When I asked him about it he refused to admit
> he
> cheated or deny it so there you go.
>
> As for cost of running the test centers either Cisco wants to
> protect the
> integrity of thier certs or it does not it is that simple.
>
>
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