Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring

shouldn't ridicule the KIDS :P

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:05 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:

> Agreed.
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> Charles Henson
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> From: Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_markom.info>
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> To: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com
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> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com, ma59 us <ma59us_at_hotmail.com>, Niklas
> Eastrvm <nikeas_at_gmail.com>, nobody_at_groupstudy.com
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> Date: 10/11/2009 09:56 AM
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> Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
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> That was precisely the point of my previous message! There is no place
> for fear. Concer, yes, but it's just technology. Technology can be
> learned and used. That's the point! It's easy. Once you learn it,
> you'll see how easy and simple it all is! :-)
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> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 14:45, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> > This is one robust thread. :) I can't speak for others but fear is not
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> > word I would apply here. It is a deviation from the the previous lab. The
> > troubleshooting section is new. Regardless of how easy or hard it is. The
> > MPLS and VPN content (seem to get the most headlines) is new. I know a
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> > of folks out there studying for the lab work in hard core R&S
> environments.
> > However, a lot of us don't. I'm a security guy. Not even a pure Cisco
> shop
> > at that. I've been around the block a few times and have to know a little
> > R&S just to do my job. I've decided to take that to the next level. For
> me,
> > this is a very tough lab and one of the main reasons is that I have to
> take
> > my other hats off at night and put on my "Cisco" R&S hat. Based on
> > conversations I've had offline with folks I am not alone but I am not the
> > norm. Changes to the lab setup require changes to my focus. "Fear"? No.
> > "Concern"? Yes. I want this lab to continue to be difficult. I want the
> > title to hold it's value and I think it will. But I also want to pass the
> > damn thing! So even though people venting or confessing their concerns to
> > the GS list is definitely OT and not necessary I can certainly understand
> > their viewpoints. Keep in mind we have everyone on this thread from
> > multi-discipline CCIEs to kids with nothing and no experience who've
> > managed (or not) to pass their written. With this audience we're gonna
> get
> > a lot of paranoia.
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> > Charles Henson
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> > B From: B B B Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_markom.info>
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> > B To: B B B B Niklas EastrC6m <nikeas_at_gmail.com>
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> > B Cc: B B B B ma59 us <ma59us_at_hotmail.com>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
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> > B Date: B B B 10/11/2009 06:55 AM
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> > B Subject: B B Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
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> > I can understand the fear. It's called FUD, except that in this case
> > it's not spread on purpose (in most cases, I presume), rather out if
> > sincere concern.
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> > Changes between v3.0 and v4.0 are really minimal technology-wise.
> > Addition of MPLS and few other things should not worry anyone who is
> > ready for the lab. I think it should not take more than a week or two
> > to learn those subjects sufficiently.
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> > Troubleshooting on the other hand is a little bit more than a peanut,
> > but should not be feared. It's just figuring out what's wrong and
> > fixing it Sort of a thing we do all day at work, isn't it? :-)
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> > --
> > Marko
> > CCIE #18427 (SP)
> > My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
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> > 2009/10/11 Niklas EastrC6m <nikeas_at_gmail.com>:
> >> MA,
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> >> If you're well prepared, whatever you're asked to answer, configure,
> >> troubleshoot, you will nail it.
> >> For skilled people, the version number of the exam should be detail...
> >>
> >> I can't understand a kind of global fear about this new lab portion !
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> >> The main goal has not changed, it's up to you to show you're a technical
> >> expert and not a technology specific advanced engineer.
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> >> Just a thought...
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> >> Rgds,
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> >> Niklas Eastrvm
> >> Network Engineer - CCIE Service Provider
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> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 07:18, ma59 us <ma59us_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> Does it mean that after 18 Oct. the lab will be 200 % more difficult
> and
> >>> need
> >>> at least 3 months more ???? to override the new pattern and
> >>> topics.???????MA
> >>> > Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
> >>> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:03:41 -0700
> >>> > From: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >>> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
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> >>> > Here's a link supporting my delusions of grandeur.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> > https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=EC&rID=40520377
> >>> > &rKey=4a695ccb75726703
> >>> >
> >>> > (watch the word wrap!)
> >>> >
> >>> > Next thing you're going to say is that we had imposters for Maurilio,
> >>> > Rick, and Lora! Maybe we can all get on our spaceship and blast off
> to
> >>> > Mars for the weekend. LOL
> >>> >
> >>> > thanks,
> >>> > Brad Ellis
> >>> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >>> > CCSI# 30482
> >>> > CEO / President
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> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> >>> > Scott Morris
> >>> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:04 AM
> >>> > To: Brad Ellis
> >>> > Cc: Scott Morris; Nadeem Rafi; Charles.Henson_at_regions.com; Cisco
> >>> > certification; Rick Smith (smithr)
> >>> > Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
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> >>> > I'm sure because it's early in the morning, and you simply haven't
> >>> > opened your eyes all the way yet.... B B But do you really think that
> > you
> >>> > are the only one who either knows or talks to appropriate people
> > within
> >>> > the department?
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> >>> > The realignment isn't new, but I'm glad to hear you're finally aware
> > of
> >>> > it. B ;)
> >>> >
> >>> > Hmmm... B Couldn't find anyplace else? B The safest answer is to just
> > pat
> >>> > you on the head and say "yes dear" because it will make you feel
> > better
> >>> > in your delusions of grandeur.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> >>> >
> >>> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >>> >
> >>> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>> >
> >>> > evil_at_ine.com
> >>> >
> >>> >
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