Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring

That was precisely the point of my previous message! There is no place
for fear. Concer, yes, but it's just technology. Technology can be
learned and used. That's the point! It's easy. Once you learn it,
you'll see how easy and simple it all is! :-)

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 14:45, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> This is one robust thread. :) I can't speak for others but fear is not the
> word I would apply here. It is a deviation from the the previous lab. The
> troubleshooting section is new. Regardless of how easy or hard it is. The
> MPLS and VPN content (seem to get the most headlines) is new. I know a lot
> of folks out there studying for the lab work in hard core R&S environments.
> However, a lot of us don't. I'm a security guy. Not even a pure Cisco shop
> at that. I've been around the block a few times and have to know a little
> R&S just to do my job. I've decided to take that to the next level. For me,
> this is a very tough lab and one of the main reasons is that I have to take
> my other hats off at night and put on my "Cisco" R&S hat. Based on
> conversations I've had offline with folks I am not alone but I am not the
> norm. Changes to the lab setup require changes to my focus. "Fear"? No.
> "Concern"? Yes. I want this lab to continue to be difficult. I want the
> title to hold it's value and I think it will. But I also want to pass the
> damn thing! So even though people venting or confessing their concerns to
> the GS list is definitely OT and not necessary I can certainly understand
> their viewpoints. Keep in mind we have everyone on this thread from
> multi-discipline CCIEs to kids with nothing and no experience who've
> managed (or not) to pass their written. With this audience we're gonna get
> a lot of paranoia.
>
> Charles Henson
>
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> B From: B B B Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_markom.info>
>
> B To: B B B B Niklas EastrC6m <nikeas_at_gmail.com>
>
> B Cc: B B B B ma59 us <ma59us_at_hotmail.com>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>
> B Date: B B B 10/11/2009 06:55 AM
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> B Subject: B B Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
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> I can understand the fear. It's called FUD, except that in this case
> it's not spread on purpose (in most cases, I presume), rather out if
> sincere concern.
>
> Changes between v3.0 and v4.0 are really minimal technology-wise.
> Addition of MPLS and few other things should not worry anyone who is
> ready for the lab. I think it should not take more than a week or two
> to learn those subjects sufficiently.
>
> Troubleshooting on the other hand is a little bit more than a peanut,
> but should not be feared. It's just figuring out what's wrong and
> fixing it Sort of a thing we do all day at work, isn't it? :-)
>
> --
> Marko
> CCIE #18427 (SP)
> My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
>
> 2009/10/11 Niklas EastrC6m <nikeas_at_gmail.com>:
>> MA,
>>
>> If you're well prepared, whatever you're asked to answer, configure,
>> troubleshoot, you will nail it.
>> For skilled people, the version number of the exam should be detail...
>>
>> I can't understand a kind of global fear about this new lab portion !
>>
>> The main goal has not changed, it's up to you to show you're a technical
>> expert and not a technology specific advanced engineer.
>>
>> Just a thought...
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>> Niklas Eastrvm
>> Network Engineer - CCIE Service Provider
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 07:18, ma59 us <ma59us_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does it mean that after 18 Oct. the lab will be 200 % more difficult and
>>> need
>>> at least 3 months more ???? to override the new pattern and
>>> topics.???????MA
>>> > Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:03:41 -0700
>>> > From: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >
>>> > Here's a link supporting my delusions of grandeur.
>>> >
>>> >
> https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=EC&rID=40520377
>>> > &rKey=4a695ccb75726703
>>> >
>>> > (watch the word wrap!)
>>> >
>>> > Next thing you're going to say is that we had imposters for Maurilio,
>>> > Rick, and Lora! Maybe we can all get on our spaceship and blast off to
>>> > Mars for the weekend. LOL
>>> >
>>> > thanks,
>>> > Brad Ellis
>>> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> > CCSI# 30482
>>> > CEO / President
>>> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
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>>> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
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>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
>>> > Scott Morris
>>> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:04 AM
>>> > To: Brad Ellis
>>> > Cc: Scott Morris; Nadeem Rafi; Charles.Henson_at_regions.com; Cisco
>>> > certification; Rick Smith (smithr)
>>> > Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>> >
>>> > I'm sure because it's early in the morning, and you simply haven't
>>> > opened your eyes all the way yet.... B B But do you really think that
> you
>>> > are the only one who either knows or talks to appropriate people
> within
>>> > the department?
>>> >
>>> > The realignment isn't new, but I'm glad to hear you're finally aware
> of
>>> > it. B ;)
>>> >
>>> > Hmmm... B Couldn't find anyplace else? B The safest answer is to just
> pat
>>> > you on the head and say "yes dear" because it will make you feel
> better
>>> > in your delusions of grandeur.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
>>> >
>>> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>> >
>>> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>> >
>>> > evil_at_ine.com
>>> >
>>> >
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