Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring

This is one robust thread. :) I can't speak for others but fear is not the
word I would apply here. It is a deviation from the the previous lab. The
troubleshooting section is new. Regardless of how easy or hard it is. The
MPLS and VPN content (seem to get the most headlines) is new. I know a lot
of folks out there studying for the lab work in hard core R&S environments.
However, a lot of us don't. I'm a security guy. Not even a pure Cisco shop
at that. I've been around the block a few times and have to know a little
R&S just to do my job. I've decided to take that to the next level. For me,
this is a very tough lab and one of the main reasons is that I have to take
my other hats off at night and put on my "Cisco" R&S hat. Based on
conversations I've had offline with folks I am not alone but I am not the
norm. Changes to the lab setup require changes to my focus. "Fear"? No.
"Concern"? Yes. I want this lab to continue to be difficult. I want the
title to hold it's value and I think it will. But I also want to pass the
damn thing! So even though people venting or confessing their concerns to
the GS list is definitely OT and not necessary I can certainly understand
their viewpoints. Keep in mind we have everyone on this thread from
multi-discipline CCIEs to kids with nothing and no experience who've
managed (or not) to pass their written. With this audience we're gonna get
a lot of paranoia.

Charles Henson

                                                                                                                                      
  From: Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_markom.info>
                                                                                                                                      
  To: Niklas Eastrvm <nikeas_at_gmail.com>
                                                                                                                                      
  Cc: ma59 us <ma59us_at_hotmail.com>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
                                                                                                                                      
  Date: 10/11/2009 06:55 AM
                                                                                                                                      
  Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
                                                                                                                                      

I can understand the fear. It's called FUD, except that in this case
it's not spread on purpose (in most cases, I presume), rather out if
sincere concern.

Changes between v3.0 and v4.0 are really minimal technology-wise.
Addition of MPLS and few other things should not worry anyone who is
ready for the lab. I think it should not take more than a week or two
to learn those subjects sufficiently.

Troubleshooting on the other hand is a little bit more than a peanut,
but should not be feared. It's just figuring out what's wrong and
fixing it Sort of a thing we do all day at work, isn't it? :-)

--
Marko
CCIE #18427 (SP)
My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
2009/10/11 Niklas EastrC6m <nikeas_at_gmail.com>:
> MA,
>
> If you're well prepared, whatever you're asked to answer, configure,
> troubleshoot, you will nail it.
> For skilled people, the version number of the exam should be detail...
>
> I can't understand a kind of global fear about this new lab portion !
>
> The main goal has not changed, it's up to you to show you're a technical
> expert and not a technology specific advanced engineer.
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Rgds,
>
> Niklas Eastrvm
> Network Engineer - CCIE Service Provider
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 07:18, ma59 us <ma59us_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does it mean that after 18 Oct. the lab will be 200 % more difficult and
>> need
>> at least 3 months more ???? to override the new pattern and
>> topics.???????MA
>> > Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:03:41 -0700
>> > From: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >
>> > Here's a link supporting my delusions of grandeur.
>> >
>> >
https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=EC&rID=40520377
>> > &rKey=4a695ccb75726703
>> >
>> > (watch the word wrap!)
>> >
>> > Next thing you're going to say is that we had imposters for Maurilio,
>> > Rick, and Lora! Maybe we can all get on our spaceship and blast off to
>> > Mars for the weekend. LOL
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > Brad Ellis
>> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> > CCSI# 30482
>> > CEO / President
>> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>> > International: +1-702-968-5100
>> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
>> > Scott Morris
>> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:04 AM
>> > To: Brad Ellis
>> > Cc: Scott Morris; Nadeem Rafi; Charles.Henson_at_regions.com; Cisco
>> > certification; Rick Smith (smithr)
>> > Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>> >
>> > I'm sure because it's early in the morning, and you simply haven't
>> > opened your eyes all the way yet.... B  But do you really think that
you
>> > are the only one who either knows or talks to appropriate people
within
>> > the department?
>> >
>> > The realignment isn't new, but I'm glad to hear you're finally aware
of
>> > it. B ;)
>> >
>> > Hmmm... B Couldn't find anyplace else? B The safest answer is to just
pat
>> > you on the head and say "yes dear" because it will make you feel
better
>> > in your delusions of grandeur.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
#4713,
>> >
>> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> >
>> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> >
>> > evil_at_ine.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> >
>> >