Re: cisco lab safe

Darby,

I don't know about FREE retakes in IPX or INE but the reason i allow FREE
unlimited number of retakes is because the more you hear the same thing the
easier it gets, I am NOT offering a FREE retake because MY class sucks;

*However I tend to wonder why a Cisco 360 Program Student would need that
second chance considering that the 360 guys have some hidden treats for
those who select their courses that might be considered inside knowledge.*

the same questions could be asked from Vendors that offer FREE retakes, does
it mean that their course sucks and they are expecting the student to fail?
They (Cisco) has the same Philosophy.

Darby, i don't know who the heck said that, i hope Cisco hears that and
disqualifies this individual, because that is PURE BullSH.... as i mentioned
that person is CCBSA (Cisco Certified Bull SH... Artist) certified.

I think that we are all under such pressure (With CCIE changes and the
Economy) that we are ready to kick ass the minute we hear something. Totally
understand, but let's take a step back and think..............

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Exactly,
>
> Nothing is wrong with promotions - we love them.
>
> We love it if Narbik gives his students a break and when he offers some
> lucky souls a chance to take his class here and there under whatever
> scenarios.
>
> We love it if IPexpert has a giveaway or a discount and the things they do
> to give students an opportunity to learn despite the economy.
>
> We love it if InternetworkExpert offers a percantage off and offers
> "scholarships".
>
>
> No one will argue this.
>
> No one really hates getting a "FREE" second shot at the CCIE Lab either.
>
> I think the only blight is the "Conditional Freebie". However given that
> a well-prepared student might score above 80%, get a good recommendation
> from his/her instructor, and still manage to fail the OEQ or just have a bad
> day for whatever reason...
>
> This is not bad... it's just the "conditional" aspect of it. How long is
> this offer?
>
>
> If I fail my lab in a few days and ask IPexpert for a re-sit, it's ok, no
> sweat, it's a part of the package.
>
> If I ask Narbik to re-sit his class, it's ok, no sweat, it's cool...
>
> If I ask INE to re-sit say the Mock Labs (I did not take a class in
> person), they'd say ok.
>
> In any of the three, the worst case at all might mean I'd pay for books
> (printing costs and/or gear to work on)... that is it. Naturally you have
> to call and plan but this is a given as well.
>
> In a conditional scenario, I am not asking for something that is a 100%
> guaranteed to me as a virtue of being a customer. Instead, I am for
> whatever and if I meet the conditions, then maybe I get whatever it is I
> asked for.
>
> Hey at least you can now ask. Hope they did not think you were a less than
> stellar student.
>
>
> What is the time-limit on the condtional offer? 6 months? 12 months?
>
>
> And everyone loves the support offered by our resident vendors on the list
> to help keep us out of trouble.
>
>
> However I tend to wonder why a Cisco 360 Program Student would need that
> second chance considering that the 360 guys have some hidden treats for
> those who select their courses that might be considered inside knowledge.
>
>
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> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> To All,
>>
>> I think you guys are taking this the wrong way, what is wrong with a
>> little
>> discount or promotion? INE has them, IPX has them, I have them, so what
>> the
>> heck is wrong with that? When we have a promotion, does it mean that we
>> are
>> NOT that good and we are offering a promotion???????? Does it mean that we
>> are totally out of business and we HAVE to offer a discount?????????
>>
>> COMMMMMON guys cheer up....
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Well said!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
>> > Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
>> > Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
>> > Mobile: +1.810.334.1564
>> >
>> > :: Message sent from iPhone.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sep 16, 2009, at 2:28 PM, rakesh m <raaki.88_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > if the plan is to offer a second shot for free then that program itself
>> >> builds negative energy .. now why in the first place a person who is
>> >> attending a ccie bootcamp wants to know that there is a second retake
>> for
>> >> free on paying some huge $$$ amount ...
>> >>
>> >> if i was to choose cisco 360 i would never look at this promotion ... i
>> >> would rather consider other factors may be their workbooks and stuff
>> but
>> >> certainly not a second retake ... as when i go for the lab attempt i
>> need
>> >> to think that i will make it in first take itself .. iff and buts will
>> be
>> >> after passing or failing the lab ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> people are happy that cisco is offering a
>> >> second retake .... its sort of mind game they are playing .. what does
>> >> this only imply for a person is it develops a negative impresssion of
>> >> taking a chance for the first and going for the second .. in either
>> >> case he is no going to pass
>> >>
>> >> i would rather see second bootcamp shot paying more than a free second
>> >> shot
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> my thoughts
>> >> --
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