RE: cisco lab safe

^5 !

Maybe one day Paul will kick Derby off. Using this forum as a way to look like
a windbag on google analytics isn't acceptable however I don't run GS... I
have added his email addys to my blocked list on my email server.

As for the training, they CAN make it good if they wanted to. I think that
even though they have the $$, they are hurting right now and need to keep this
part of their portfolio profitable. People passing the CCIE the FIRST time
out is not in their best interest. Some poor sap passing after 6 attempts is
gold to them. Chambers and their current CFO really are looking at bottom
line now, not what good they are doing for companies and individuals - that's
just a fact of life. Just look at the cost of the lab... they are using older
switches and low end routers over and over again for the same labs. Their
proctors are salarized and can be forced to work whatever hours Cisco deems
fit as they are exempt. The only variable cost for their CCIE lab env is the
power - raises up in summer, lowers in winter. Ultimately, this is a money
making venture for them - keep that in mind.

Travis

> From: chazstats_at_gmail.com
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: cisco lab safe
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:26:39 -0700
>
> I have been reading this list for a long time, watching Darby post crap
> after crap... He's bashed every vendor at least once and promoted every
> vendor at least once...He promotes whichever vendor gives him free
> crap/classes/whatever...He bitches about how the OEQ are unfair, and should
> be boycotted...Darby has convinced me of one thing, and one thing only,
that
> Darby is an idiot and does nothing but waste bandwidth. I am sick and tired
> of reading his crap. I try to filter him, but people respond to his crap,
so
> that shows up in my groupstudy folder....I wish the list owner would remove
> him as he adds no value, whatsoever...PLEASE!
>
> Now, about Cisco and 360...so I don't waste bandwidth just whining about
how
> Darby is the most annoying f*er on this list...
>
> Cisco has the most money, most resources, and best access to the exam
> materials. If Cisco wants to put out the best training product for their
> exam, they are going to do it. INE, IPX, Narbik, nor anyone else can do
> better than that by themselves....Forget it!!! Cisco has millions of
dollars
> they can throw at developing CCIE training. No one else can even come
> close... If they want to own the market on CCIE training, they will. And
> either the other companies will join the program, diversify into other
> certifications, or go out of business...Cisco's big problem right now is
> their marketing of their 360 program. It's pathetic, awful, and a joke. Who
> ever is in charge of marketing for 360 should be FIRED immediately...Make
> them retire, walk them to the street, put them on the bus back to wherever
> they came from. Where are the Cisco engineers blogging, posting on forums
> and technical lists, answering technical questions, etc about CCIE??? It
> ain't happening. Not even the companies selling the 360 are doing a good
job
> of marketing it...The program is confusing as hell...If you do a 360, don't
> you just go back to where you started from in the first place?!?! What a
> stupid marketing/program name...FIRE the marketing idiot...Now a free
> re-take if you fail the lab??? WTF!?!? If the program is so good in the
> first place, WTF should I be concerned about failing?!?!? What another
> stupid marketing idea...Why not just give the person a free attempt after
> they take the class??? STUPID STUPID STUPID marketing...FIRE the marketing
> idiot...The training is insanely overpriced and a rip-off for a brand new,
> non-time-proven training package...FIRE the marketing idiot.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Dark
> Fiber
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:02 AM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: Evan Weston; Scott Morris; Brad Ellis; armylegionmedic_at_aol.com;
> dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Rick Smith (smithr)
> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>
> All I know in July INE was completely dead in the water for you. That is
all
> you hammered on since your were off to IPX's bootcamp in August. You took
up
> the light saber against INE. Now today you are their biggest fan once
> again... Next month it will be someone else and so forth...
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Darby Weaver
> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > What discount would that be Evan?
> >
> > You sound like you think I've been paid off....
> >
> > Hah!
> >
> > Get a clue...
> >
> > If anything I was still kind of curious about the INE 2.0 End-to-End....
> > except when the end changes...
> >
> >
> > But I agree they have to charge for development to make a buck.
> >
> >
> > Think like 360 - Where's the new development?
> >
> > The pirates have the old stuff and guess what its the new stuff anyway...
> > so what ya want me to tell ya?
> >
> > INE/IPE/Narbik are the current developers... for new exciting, quality
> > content..
> >
> > Guess what!!!
> >
> > None of them are that advertisement....
> >
> > Not one...
> >
> > See the whole picture...
> >
> > You don't gotta like me - but just check out what I say and see if it
> holds
> > water on the day I said it.
> >
> > If you can do that... you can keep up...
> >
> > If not... then man... you'd just be so... YESTERDAY.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Evan Weston
> <evan_weston_at_hotmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I was about to say the same thing. Not long ago he was on here
> >> prophesying their bankruptcy. I guess giving trolls a certain discount
> >> rate goes a long way to adjusting their attitudes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Dark Fiber [mailto:darkfiber08_at_gmail.com]
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 16 September 2009 11:36 PM
> >> *To:* Darby Weaver
> >> *Cc:* Evan Weston; Scott Morris; Brad Ellis; armylegionmedic_at_aol.com;
> >> dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Rick Smith (smithr)
> >>
> >> *Subject:* Re: cisco lab safe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Darby weren't you just saying two months ago INE was DOA????
> >>
> >> This is way your credibility always comes into question. You flip flop
> >> every other month man...
> >>
> >> Not saying you were anywhere near close to being right about INE either
> >> two months ago...
>
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