Re: cisco lab safe

Narbik is in the 360 program though ;) His workbooks and teaching and their
mock labs...

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey...
>
> Compare the number of 360 CCIE's in telast 2 years over at NMC to the
> number of CCIE's from IPexpert and InternetworkExpert...
>
> Never mind Narbik who's killing the 360 single-handedly.
>
>
> Why should you pay more for materials that have not been updated in 2-3
> years other than interfaces?
>
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> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:45 PM, <armylegionmedic_at_aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Awesome, I see I did misunderstand and this clears up a lot. I would have
>> to say then based on things from Cisco being a requirement and really adding
>> in a lot of back end costs, then you are absolutely correct. Cisco 360 is
>> extremely expensive and the free retake is just a marketing tool, that in
>> some ways you are actually paying for. Like buying a car and they talk about
>> well, we are going to charge you an extra $500 dollars, BUT just for that we
>> will throw in a free air freshner. ?:-) YYYAAAYYY!!! SOLD!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
>> To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com
>> Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com; dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:40 pm
>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>
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>> Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
>> that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
>> option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.
>>
>> By the way, according to
>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect on
>> my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least
>> 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
>> $1,400 = $5,395.
>>
>> Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't
>> fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
>> own decisions on things! Just do the math.
>>
>> I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people
>> involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
>> selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
>> things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
>> welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
>> may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to them!
>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>
>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>
>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>
>> evil_at_ine.com
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>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>
>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>
>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>
>>
>> Knowledge is power.
>>
>> Power corrupts.
>>
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>>
>>
>> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:
>> > I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
>> > enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
>> > really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples to
>> > apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think
>> > that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
>> > that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is
>> > all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
>> > To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
>> > Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification
>> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
>> > Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>> >
>> > If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth it
>> for
>> > a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
>> misread
>> > it?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
>> > >
>> > > CIERS1 = $3,995
>> > > CIERS2 = $4,500
>> > > Essentials = $4,550
>> > >
>> > > Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
>> > >
>> > > So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that
>> you
>> > > have to spend in order to get that.
>> > >
>> > > For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
>> > > discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
>> > > discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or $2,520
>> > > (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly more)
>> =
>> > > $129.
>> > >
>> > > So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not
>> > > including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of
>> > > $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need pre-qualification
>> > > AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
>> airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
>> > >
>> > > Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can attend
>> > > our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like to.
>> > >
>> > > So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not going
>> to
>> > > swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do
>> math.
>> > > But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more
>> > > than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab
>> attempt
>> > > for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
>> > >
>> > > If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline,
>> I'd
>> > > be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point of
>> > > dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing
>> list).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> #4713,
>> > >
>> > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> > >
>> > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> > >
>> > > evil_at_ine.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > >
>> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>> > >
>> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> > >
>> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Knowledge is power.
>> > >
>> > > Power corrupts.
>> > >
>> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dane Newman wrote:
>> > > > I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo
>> this
>> > > will
>> > > > make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality
>> training.
>> > > > The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold
>> for all
>> > > > the stress relief it can bring.
>> > > >
>> > > > Dane
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
>> > > > Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe
>> promotion. The
>> > > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
>> Program
>> > > for
>> > > > CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE
>> lab
>> > > exam
>> > > > attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no
>> additional
>> > > > cost.
>> > > > The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who have
>> three to
>> > > > five years of networking experience through an effective,
>> job-relevant,
>> > > and
>> > > > proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare for the
>> > > rigorous
>> > > > Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360
>> Learning
>> > > > Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide added
>> > > > assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.
>> > > > How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:
>> > > > Students must meet the following criteria in order to be eligible
>> for the
>> > > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion:
>> > > > A recommendation from their instructor
>> > > > Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials
>> Package
>> > > or
>> > > > a CIERS instructor-led workshop
>> > > > Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance assessments
>> > > > Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the Cisco 360
>> > > Learning
>> > > > Program curriculum and Cisco Lab Safe promotion.
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>> and
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Received on Tue Sep 15 2009 - 19:00:56 ART