Re: cisco lab safe

I guess i should have been more precise myself. I was looking at the full
end to end approach. Everything Scott had compared on his email. Sorry about
that guys.

I still like 10 attempts for $10,000 though :) you can use them on any track
btw.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
> that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
> option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.
>
> By the way, according to
> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect on
> my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least
> 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
> $1,400 = $5,395.
>
> Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't
> fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
> own decisions on things! Just do the math.
>
> I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people
> involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
> selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
> things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
> welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
> may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to them!
>
> ;)
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>
> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>
> evil_at_ine.com
>
>
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>
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>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
>
> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:
> > I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
> > enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
> > really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples to
> > apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think
> > that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
> > that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is
> > all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
> > To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
> > Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification
> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
> > Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
> >
> > If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth it
> for
> > a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
> misread
> > it?
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
> > >
> > > CIERS1 = $3,995
> > > CIERS2 = $4,500
> > > Essentials = $4,550
> > >
> > > Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
> > >
> > > So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that you
> > > have to spend in order to get that.
> > >
> > > For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
> > > discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
> > > discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or $2,520
> > > (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly more)
> =
> > > $129.
> > >
> > > So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not
> > > including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of
> > > $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need pre-qualification
> > > AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
> airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
> > >
> > > Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can attend
> > > our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like to.
> > >
> > > So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not going
> to
> > > swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do math.
> > > But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more
> > > than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab attempt
> > > for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
> > >
> > > If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline, I'd
> > > be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point of
> > > dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing
> list).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> > >
> > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > >
> > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > >
> > > evil_at_ine.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > >
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >
> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >
> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.
> > >
> > > Power corrupts.
> > >
> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dane Newman wrote:
> > > > I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo
> this
> > > will
> > > > make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality
> training.
> > > > The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold for
> all
> > > > the stress relief it can bring.
> > > >
> > > > Dane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
> > > > Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe promotion.
> The
> > > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
> Program
> > > for
> > > > CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE
> lab
> > > exam
> > > > attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no
> additional
> > > > cost.
> > > > The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who have
> three to
> > > > five years of networking experience through an effective,
> job-relevant,
> > > and
> > > > proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare for the
> > > rigorous
> > > > Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360
> Learning
> > > > Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide added
> > > > assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.
> > > > How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:
> > > > Students must meet the following criteria in order to be eligible for
> the
> > > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion:
> > > > A recommendation from their instructor
> > > > Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials
> Package
> > > or
> > > > a CIERS instructor-led workshop
> > > > Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance assessments
> > > > Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the Cisco 360
> > > Learning
> > > > Program curriculum and Cisco Lab Safe promotion.
> > > > Find out more about Cisco Lab Safe promotion and the official terms
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