Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint

Thanks Narbik,

Yeah, I guess again only time will tell with the 10-15 questions thing. To
me that is a big gap.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Some people spend the entire 30 minutes on OEQs and some spend 10 minutes,
> so if you add you will get to 7 - 7.5 hours.
>
> But as far as 10 - 15 questions with a difference of 50%, well i guess the
> intensity of the question should also be considered.
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Gorito is expected to speak soon to the matter again with NLI/360.
>>
>> In the meantime, I expect that a lot of issues will almost have to be
>> common to the Tech Notes and common well-known issues and perhaps the more
>> common problems associated with VRFs and maybe MPLS VPNs (RD/RT).
>>
>> Those might be easy to those well versed but might ruin someone's lunch if
>> they come to the party less that "well-prepared".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Remember, we have been told it is "10 to 15 tickets" which to me is quite
>>> a gap -- I mean ... thats like what 50% more? An extra 3 or 5 problems
>>> could definitely be an issue. Hopefully, this will be clarified.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now the next question is what kinds of issues can be divided into 10
>>>> tickets in about 2 horus?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe that's where the MPLS will reside?
>>>>
>>>> I'd actually consider this most likely for the MPLS addition. It would
>>>> give candidates a chance to think abotu MPLS, they'd have to understand the
>>>> technology to repair/fix it and of course troubleshoot in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> In any event I'd expect MPLS to be light at least initially.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Narbik is counting:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. 2 Hours Troublshooting
>>>>> 2. 5.5 Hours Configuration of the New Lab
>>>>>
>>>>> 7.5 Hours Total. +/- 30 Minutes for OEQ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Narbik,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you expand on that idea? I thought with v4.0 we were going to
>>>>>> see:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) 30 minutes OEQ
>>>>>> 2) 2 hours troubleshooting
>>>>>> 3) 5.5 hours configuration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least that is what I got from the Ask The Expert:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forum.cisco.com/eforum/servlet/NetProf?page=netprof&forum=Expert%20Archive&topic=Career%20Certifications&topicID=.ee7f99b&fromOutline=&CommCmd=MB%3Fcmd%3Ddisplay_location%26location%3D.2cd32078/30
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what do you mean, 7 hours?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Darby,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think once you count the troubleshooting section and the
>>>>>>> configuration section you end up with 7 hours, i think and i hope that Cisco
>>>>>>> makes it challenging enough so the newly minted CCIEs will be knowledgeable
>>>>>>> and what you would expect from a CCIE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I only counted 5.5 hours of configuration and testing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This amounts to a little more than a CCIE Accessor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I'm sure it will be the more difficult parts of any recent
>>>>>>>> 3-5 years lab worth off complexity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd expect the easier and more routine topics will be
>>>>>>>> pre-coninfigured. Leaving the candidate to sort out the more difficult or
>>>>>>>> time consuming topics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is, the lower order topics may be considered mastery by virtue
>>>>>>>> of completing the troubleshooting section and whatever is left of the OEQ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>>>>>> markom_at_markom.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 22:52, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > I agree with Iwan, you should know:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > - LDP
>>>>>>>>> > - Basic MPLS
>>>>>>>>> > - RSVP - (I kinda find it hard to believe that this would be in
>>>>>>>>> the exam,
>>>>>>>>> > like Scott mentioned, TE is NOT part of this exam,
>>>>>>>>> > B B B B B B B they don't even hit it hard in the SP track).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > - L3 VPN's - Static routes, RIPv2, Eigrp, OSPF, BGP
>>>>>>>>> > - VRF & VRF Lite
>>>>>>>>> > - Complex VPNs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would actually be surprised to see any complex VPN's to begin
>>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>> With 6 hours and all the other fun stuff there, this *could* be
>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>> little bit too much. However, we shouldn't forget the
>>>>>>>>> troubleshooting
>>>>>>>>> section. That opens many new possibilities for introducing
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> stuff to troubleshoot. For example, we may not have a complex
>>>>>>>>> redistribution scenario to configure, but we may have a monster to
>>>>>>>>> troubleshoot...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just thinking out loud here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
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>>
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>>
>
>
>
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> Narbik Kocharians
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> www.MicronicsTraining.com
> Sr. Technical Instructor
>

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