Re: CCDE Boot Camp

The scope of the RCDD is a little different, but interesting thought.

As for courseware then test, I STRONGLY disagree with that. At least at
an expert level. I'm not incredibly keen about it on any level, but
that's not really my call (train's already left the station). A SKILL
assessment or thought-process assessment is not something magically
contained in a course. Memorizing a checklist on page 86 should NOT be
the answer to a question. But that's just my thinking.

The old days were better when the CCIE group's mantra was the assess the
skills of experts, not be mired in the who is teaching whom or how to
test specific pieces about what's fair or what isn't.

Just my two cents.

And I'm sure "some" people have done things using lower-certified
folks. And there may well be well-qualified folks with only lower
certifications, but it seems a little hypocritical to say "come use our
material to pass this lab, but pay no attention to the fact that it
hasn't worked for our folks who wrote it".

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.

JNCI-M, JNCI-ER

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Darby Weaver wrote:
> Hey...
>
> Be nice...
>
> Some people have used CCNP's to write CCIE Courseware and so it stands
> to reason that CCDP's could write CCDE Courseware too. I mean if some
> CLP's follow the same logic...
>
> But who has been to the class and passed and would pin a testimonial
> on it saying it is the way to go?
>
> Hmm...
>
> The CCDE is still Beta by any standards.
>
> I find it amazingly interesting that we have the one industry that
> writes a certification first and then the courseware (if any) after
> the fact and the NDA has been laid down.
>
> Shouldn't the courseware come first and then the exam content which
> was based on the courseware?
>
>
> There is always the SRND and CVD materials - but they are free. From
> what I saw of the CCDE, I'd say a good solid grasp of BICSI RCDD
> courseware might come in handy too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
> <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>
> "Cisco Authorized" as in taught by a CLP is a far cry from a "Cisco
> Authorized CCDE Practical Bootcamp".
>
> Do you actually have a real CCDE teaching it? Like someone who's
> passed
> both the written AND practical?
>
> I have more doubts about the ones in the UK as their web site
> professes
> to have TWO full CCDEs teaching the class, although AFAIK there's only
> one person who's passed that lives/works in the entirety of Europe,
> though I could be wrong.
>
> I'll side with Brian on this. There's no way, in a week, you'll get
> what you need to pass this exam. But feel free to spend hard-earned
> money on it. Stimulate the economy. It needs it. ;)
>
> My two cents.
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>
> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>
> evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
>
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>
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>
>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad Ellis wrote:
> > We offer both the written and lab Cisco authorized boot camps.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
> Behalf Of
> > Arun Kumar Arumuganainar
> > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:07 AM
> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Cc: Arun Reliance
> > Subject: CCDE Boot Camp
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there any body who offers boot camp( Preferably in UK/US ) or
> > training
> > materials for CCDE .
> >
> >
> >
> > I understand CCIE has extensive study materials. But wondering if we
> > have any
> > for CCDE.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and Regards
> >
> > Arun
> >
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