Re: Failed Again!!!

For what it's worth, I totally agree. Having had a similar experience of
passing the lab but not the OEQs, I'm not inclined to taking it again until
the OEQs are gone.

Also, considering that (based on my experience) the lab portion is actually
a lot easier now than it was before the OEQs were added, I personnally do
not look at someone with a CCIE in the 24000+ range as having accomplished
nearly as much as those with numbers below 24000. 21% of their
accomplishment is based on them being able to answer 3 out of 4 'easy'
questions. Not exactly a testament to their expertise IMO. Those who pass
should feel a little cheated too.

-Josh

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Rick Tyrell <rtyrell_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I failed for the 3rd time on August 17th. I haven't felt like writing
> anything until I read this post. I failed the OEQ section, even though I
> had passed it the last time. So I guess I went from being 100% on Core
> Knowledge to 0% even though I sat another bootcamp and was able to dedicate
> the final 6 weeks of preparation without having to be at work. I covered
> my
> weak areas. But I can not memorize every Cisco Press book verbatim which
> is
> what the OEQ seems to have become.
>
> Now I understand that Cisco is trying to weed out people who cheat. But
> they are doing it the wrong way. Don't waste someones money and time
> having
> them fly out to a CCIE Lab locations and fail them on the OEQ section.
> Make
> it a separate exam that can be taken remotely or at a local Cisco
> office. Once they can pass the OEQ then they can be allowed to take the
> Lab
> exam. Interview me in person at a Cisco office and see if I am a cheater
> or
> not. It doesn't take long to find out if someone really knows their stuff,
> just talk to them face to face for a few minutes. I have worked closely
> with Cisco SEs and spent many hours on the phone with TAC troubleshooting
> problems they have never seen. Even teaching them a few things in coming
> up
> with solutions!
>
> I also went throughout the CCNA, CCNP, and CCSP. I remember failing the
> Troubleshooting and Support exam for the CCNP twice before finally passing
> it, almost giving up. I also have over 10 years of building and
> troubleshooting complex networks. If Cisco is really considering the
> "Cisco
> Certified Architect" methodology maybe they should look at what a candidate
> has gone through before taking the CCIE exam. If I was cheating do you
> think I would have gone through the time and money it took going through
> the
> foundational certifications and spending countless hours in training?
>
> Maybe instead of an OEQ section we could write and essay about how we love
> Cisco and will never user another companies products...LOL. I could
> write
> in there how I convinced my company to switch from 3COM to Cisco and have
> blanketed our entire Campus with their equipment and Smartnet contracts.
> This was all done by me, not a CCIE or "Cisco Certified Architect" or Cisco
> SE. I mean that is what they are trying to produce right? Someone who
> knows the technology, can sell the technology to the CIO, configure and
> troubleshoot it, draw up some pretty Visio diagrams, and upgrade to the
> newest model every few years. I have been doing all this for the last 10
> years :)
>
> I will learn the 4.0 material because it is relevant to current industry
> standards We are getting ready to implement MPLS VPNs where I work. But I
> will not be taking the CCIE 4.0 R&S Lab unless Cisco removes the OEQ
> section, if I decide to take it at all. I do feel the troubleshooting
> section is a step in the right direction. This exam should
> be testing candidates on real world topologies and situations. I have
> always had respect for Cisco and their certification program. But I'm done
> with pissing my money and time down the toilet.
>
>
> -Rick
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Sorry to hear that, mate. 5th try was my lucky one, so you might pass on
> > that one as well. Just keep up high spirits.
> >
> > A. #17234 (RS)
> >
> > Dennis Worth wrote:
> >
> >> FYI Group
> >> Failed CCIE R&S for the 4th time, and this time it was because of the
> >> OEQ's.
> >> I am so glad Cisco wants to stop the cheaters out there, but after 5
> years
> >> on and off of going through this stuff to pass this lab, failing on 1
> >> simple
> >> question that is not EXACTLY what they are asking for is absolutely out
> of
> >> control.
> >>
> >> I will be back, but to all who take this lab exam, you might as well
> chalk
> >> it up to LUCK more than skill or knowledge. I hate what this exam has
> come
> >> to. It really has no relevance to anything with those questions.
> >>
> >> Best of LUCK to anyone who takes the lab, because you will need it!
> >>
> >
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