RE: OEQ NDA Question?

It is just amazing that "people" did not see this coming a few months ago.
As I stated in May, the QEQs are not a statistically valid method of
testing. Many in this forum who already have multiple CCIEs (3 or 4)
disagreed... This is kind of funny. Cisco will be able to play games by
asking 4-5 subjective questions that they feel should be easily answered by
a qualified CCIE candidate (whatever that means). If Cisco is going to
continue with the QEQs, they should eliminate the $350 pre-qualification
exam for each track if they feel the pre-qualification exams have been
compromised or they should do more to secure the lab exam itself. Maybe the
pre-qualification exam should be a written (pencil and paper) proctored
exam.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
West
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 3:57 PM
To: Dennis Worth; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: RE: OEQ NDA Question?

I've heard and wondered the same thing. Unfortunately, no one at Cisco is
likely to speak up and give us that answer. Part of the reason I have said
to never underestimate the OEQ's is that 4 months after the exam, I just
stumbled upon the answer to one of my OEQs. I had two questions that were
like this.

I have a little theory on this though. I believe students at all the
testing centers that are within reasonable timezones of one another have the
same set of OEQs. If only a couple of the students answer the question
correctly, it's counted as valid. If no one answers it correctly, then
those who are very close get credit. Something similar to blowing the curve
or discarding the outliers.

When I was speaking with the proctors at lunch, they both knew one of the
questions I was referring to and I could tell they thought it was bogus and
basically responded with "well, there are 3 others.." I know I was 2/3rd of
the way correct on one question and sort of almost practically somewhat
(scientific terms) correct on the other. I would not have expected most
CCIE candidates to get those two questions correct, one was better suited
for another track.

I would love to share my two, maybe one day when I get permission.

-ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Dennis Worth
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:57 PM
To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: OEQ NDA Question?

Group,
I was thinking that if the questions that Cisco asked in OEQ's are not used
twice. Can't we share that information or least get clarity from other
engineers on how they would answer, so that we can learn to provide the
right solution next time?

Any thought's on this?

-- 
Dennis Worth
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