Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

Everyone has their nuances. Juniper's no different. Just different
things to be irritated with. In their grading process... In their
recertification process.

But it is what it is. Deal with it or don't. Figure out the format,
dissect it, and kick its ass.

Does Foundry actually have a certification?

I agree with Brad on the process there.

Scott

Brad Ellis wrote:
> Darby,
>
>
>
> Since you are the one having issues answering the OEQs, I think it's you
> who needs the practice and not the other vendors - especially those who
> have already passed the lab exam. Better yet, if you dislike Cisco and
> the CCIE lab exam so much that you want to start a petition, why not
> just move on, stop posting on groupstudy complaining about Cisco, and
> give Juniper a call? If you don't like Cisco's policies about their
> certifications, go for a different one. That would probably be a more
> effective use of your time: prepare, study, understand, learn!
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Brad Ellis
>
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> From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darby.weaver_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:26 AM
> To: Brad Ellis
> Cc: William McCall; ccie forum
> Subject: Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ
>
>
>
> Sorry Brad,
>
>
>
> Maurilio addressed nearly every possible question on Jives already. I'm
> sure there are a lot of people who might want to ask some of those same
> questions again.
>
>
>
> If you'd prefer I could ask a question or two here just to see how many
> of our vendors can answer a deck of 4 OEQs and their best instructors in
> under 30 minutes.
>
>
>
> Maybe they can? Individually or collectively and with outside resources
> - Who is to say and better yet...
>
>
>
> Ask them to reference where they cover the question in their own
> materials?
>
>
>
> Now I can do this pretty quickly. And maybe I'm wrong... Maybe these
> questions are pretty common fare all the time.
>
>
>
> What about when they are not?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> Well said William. There's always going to be people complaining for one
> reason or another. I think it's great that Cisco is constantly changing
> the exam. It helps keep it as legit as possible. Maurilio is going to be
> presenting in a webinar we are holding on August 6th. One of his topics
> is going to be how to properly address the OEQ part of the exam. If you
> haven't signed up for the webinar with Maurilio and others, please make
> sure and do so. We have a limit of 500 people in the Webex room.
>
> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/cciewebex.html
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
> CEO / President
> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> William McCall
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:05 AM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: ccie forum
> Subject: Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ
>
> Call the waaaaaambulance.
>
> I passed it with the core knowledge section. Many others have too. If
> you
> didn't pass because of the core knowledge section, Cisco intended for
> you to
> not pass.
>
> Play the game or get left out. Petitioning Cisco to dumb down the exam
> to
> make people happy isn't going to work. I think the next thing they
> should do
> is include the requirement of knowing full PDU structures.
>
> For people who failed solely because of core knowledge, I'm sorry. Pick
> yourselves back up and start again. Moaning and groaning about it just
> makes
> you look whiny to people who had to do it. Failure is one of the things
> that
> you must learn to accept in life, even if it is at $1400 plus travel and
> lodging a pop. Just because you paid for the opportunity doesn't mean
> you
> earned the cert.
>
> An example, when I was going for my CCNP, I failed the ISCW 3 times
> before I
> finally passed. On the 4th one, I thought, "I should probably just give
> up
> on this and go get my CCIE written," but instead, I went back and took
> it
> and finally passed it.
>
> If you have some concrete examples (no NDA breaking, please!) of
> questions
> that cannot be solved, I will be more than happy to find the answers for
> you. I will take a maximum of 10 good questions.
>
> Ladies and Gents, Cisco does not really want you to fail, but they DO
> want
> to have prestige in the CCIE program.
>
> --WM
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Darby Weaver
> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>> Seems like we need a petition to make the point clear.
>>
>> Now if some of you guys don't think that some of the OEQ's are fair...
>>
> I
>
>> have to ask the question is repeating "Hearsay" even close the
>>
> breaking the
>
>> NDA?
>>
>> Because if I were to show you some questions that I've run across you
>> might now find them so easy and if the instructors themselves can't
>>
> find
>
>> reasonable answers... in a reasonable time-frame... (Ummm....
>>
> Candidates
>
>> only get 30 minutes for 4 of these puppies and no use of Google.com
>>
> btw).
>
>> I've got to ask you? Who are we trying to get to pass the CCIE Lab?
>>
>> Disclaimer: See the first batch of OEQ. Straight forward mostly.
>>
>> If your questions start asking "Why"...
>>
>> You might as well just hand in your lab guide and catch your plane and
>>
> go
>
>> home... Unless you know you nailed them and did not second guess
>> yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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